Dundee

Who's he trying to kid?

First bit of decent money that comes in and Dundee's out of the title race.

Dont think he is trying to kid anyone.

Thats what he is saying - if a good offer comes for them then they can go in January, and if no good ones come in then they will be staying till they are out of contract.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/10...y10397463t0.asp

same story words "refusing" to sign and "rejected" added for effect, nothing new to the daily ranger!!

if there was a chance of promotion this season would you sign a first division contract for a year now or wait til there might be a chance of spl wages? think about it!!

I think they will certainly go. The finances at Dundee dictate they cant afford to gamble on not getting promoted and losing the kids for free. They could probably get over 600k for them and that could mean a hell of a lot for dundee. I know they may go up, but it is a four horse race and losing those kids for next to nothing must be to much a risk.

why would anyone pay 600k+ in january when they will be up for contract renewals in the summer? no one will pay this so chances are they will probably stay til summer, dees have said there would have to be significant fee for them to leave.

I think any money which is brought in for any of their players should be given to their creditors. Dundee being allowed to use the money for any other purpose would be blatantly unjust.

think you are having a mental break down.

1. Check my sig. Unless your being ironic, in which case......................*applause*.

2. Matter for disclosure: i'm not on the wind.

I truly believe that it is unjust that Dundee should have millions of debt just waivered. You shouldn't be allowed to trade.

Well we have and we are, get over this fact please.

Is there any chance that you can try and justify it for me?

Do you believe that it is just?

Ooh, ooh...I wanna say this.

f**k OFF SAVO YOU TEDIOUS c**t!!!!!

No I won't attempt to justify it because I don't need to.

Of course I believe it is just, my team is still in business!!!

a team that caved and sold their famous ground to a *supermarket* can speak about finances!!

Do you know the situation surrounding the re-payment of debt? I assume it hasn't just been waivered?

Last I was aware, you owed the bank in the region of £13m, which would take many a year to pay back. Surely any money you receive from these assets should be put towards eradicating that debt?

IMO, you shouldn't be allowed to spend a penny on transfers until its paid back. I think your youth system is pretty much your only way out of this situation.

What do you expect him to say?

"yes, we need the money & will accept any offer!"

It was detailed at our AGM http://www.dundee-mad.co.uk/news/loadfeat....2&id=349676

As far as I know any transfers into the club have been free, I may be wrong. If it were the shoe on the other foot I certianly wouldn't be making a song and dance about you being put out of business or ahything like that. If we did go out of business though, Who would be utterly consumed with hatred for then?

and what is your point? £7m of this was owed to the marrs who took this away with them, so this leaves £6m which is being managed, like any debt at any club including st johnstones.

I'm not making a song and dance. I asked a question, you've clarified it. The end





FFS! At ease!

You have done in the past.

Fair dues, if that's your perference i'll keep in in mind for the next time I broach this issue.

lol, well not really I don't get any great pleasure in being deliberately flippant about our financial issues but there are times when I have to be.

you didn't ask a question you made a stupid statement but yes this has been clarified years ago but the arabsaints4life don't know when to end it.

i'll let you off this time as you are good point and laugh material

To be fair he did ask a question and the last he was aware was we were 13m in debt as far as his opinion goes that's his but we havn't paid any money out in transfer fees for a long, long time.

? you missed one


edit:- where did your post go?

It's in the past and it's done,the same as Motherwell and Livingston.I do make the odd wee joke about consultants but as far as I'm concerned the clubs are now legally trading and they didnt owe me any money so not my problem.
As far as Dundee losing their young players I'm afraid that happens and come January taking some cash or watching them sign a pre-contract and not try a leg for the rest of the season could be the choice.

In agreement with our creditors we don't have to put a penny towards the debt on transfer fees under 750k AFAIK.

Exactly, that's my point and either way Dundee lose. If somebody offered 300k for McDonald and Dixon combined in January do you think Dundee would turn it down?

This was the first I was aware these guys contracts was even running out, and you being in opposition to our title challenge, any weakening of Dundee is a good thing . Don't want you out of business though, thats a bit extreme.

yes i think dundee would

I suppose they could just default on another £300,000 worth of debt anyway...

150k each I'd take that as opposed to 0 and if we won the league we'd be paying them a 20k bonus aswell to leave the club.

I think Dave Mckinnon is bang on with what he's saying. Yes, no doubt there will be offers in January for Robbo and Kev (in particular), but he's correct in that it's their agents who have the power in this situation.
In this day and age, we unfortunately have to live with this fact, but to say that the likes of Robbo, who's a Dee through and through, would not "try a leg for the rest of the season" if he signed a pre-contract agreement with another club, is complete nonsense.

The new board, who I have nothing but admiration for, are not daft. They know they can't keep these lads for long on the Div 1 wages DFC can afford post-admin, so they've had the foresight to plan ahead.
The £20k a-man bonus (budgeted for), to get promotion and the prospect of competitive SPL wages if we do go up, is about as much as the board can do in this situation.

As an aside, for those of you who really do think that Dundee's season is about to go down the pan, maybe you should look at how the under 19's league is shaping this year(click - the future's bright and defo not tangerine!)

Not to mention a threat to your promotion hopes! So transparent.

Why is it every time I see the words Livingston and consultant together, I immediately think of the name 'Kachloul' and the word 'cheats'?

Because you are a cynic.
Shame on you.

Is being able to run up huge debt on players and then not pay it an advanatge for Dundee, is it a bigger advantage than our pitch ?

With respect, that's a ridiculous question!
Of course running up the debt on players from the Bonetti era doesn't give us an advantage. I'm happy to stand corrected, but AFAIK Robbo at 22 years old, is the only player in our squad who was in the first team squad at Dens the last time we were in the SPL, so where exactly is the advantage for us?

On the question of your pitch, for the record, I posted this on the match thread:-

You ought to be spending all of your money repaying creditors.
Instead it is being spent on players.
Henec advantage - or at least non-disadvantage should you wish to be pedantic.

It is? When was the last time we paid a transfer fee? link to official articles on the transfers only please.

Let me guess - you're paying £0 a week in wages as well.

The point i was making was not a 'go' at Dundee just an example of how every single clubs circumstances are different and each has advantages over each other. In terms of debt and pitches the clubs have different positions both of which are within all the rules, but the constant moaning as if everybody starts on an even keel is rubbish.

ok so spending on players wasn't the best term you could use again I don't really care, we're still here doing things as we do, get over that fact.

You're clearly deluded if you think that's the reason they aren't signing anything at this point, any contract they would have been offered already would include provision for increased wages on promotion, it's pretty much standard.

The guys may yet sign on again at Dundee, but not until they have had a really good look at what's on offer elsewhere. Still something tells me at least some will stay, wages are pretty good for a team with six million pounds worth of debt carried over.

Also who the hell does Lyle think is going to come in and make a better offer to him on a bosman? He's ok at this level, nothing special and certainly not deserving of being bracketed with the other players mentioned.

The chance of any club offering decent money in January is negligible considering we have been receiving bids for them for the past two years from Celtic, Leicester, Norwich etc which have all be knocked back. The chance of a decent offer with only 6 months of a contract remaining is near nil i suspect. They will see out their contracts and go in the summer.

I tend to think what Jim McLean says is right, and that running a youth system is utterly pointless in the post bosman era. No first division club or half the SPL clubs are going to make any serious money by selling players, and any good players leave before they peak, so why bother with the youths at all. Be as well saving the money and spending it offering slightly more to poach other clubs good young players.

this was dundee's headline in tonights evening paper. international week and i'm sure daily record was also having a slow day!!

10 October 2007ALL QUIETIt was all quiet on the playing side at Dens today with most of the staff enjoying a few days off. i'm glad they let us know!!

What the f**k are you going on about?

And I did ask a question in my previous post. In fact I asked two. The problem was you were just far to consumed by your hatred of Savo to answer. Aw well, least I received a rational response from Webby.



Except for the fact its not in the past and its not done, you mean?

Dundee's debt still exists, so as far as that argument goes, your way off.



Nor do I want them out of business. I just want people to take responsibility for their wrongdoings. If someone commits a crime we expect justice for the victim. We were all victims of Dundee's reckless spending. Scottish football as a whole was a victim. For the aforementioned reasons, the immediate and sole priority for Dundee FC should be the repayment of debt.



Hopes? Bull. I know we'll win the league.

We are no different to any other div1 club in that if a decent offer comes in for a player they will be sold.Dave mckinnon knows the score and unless there is a decent offer they will stay for the season,this will probably be the case cause no club will want to pay big money for a player out of contract in the summer.If we win the league I would expect all 4 to sign if we dont we will probably lose 3 maybe 4.It would be crazy to weaken the team for peanuts when we are with a shout of going up.I would expect a player to come in come january rather than any leaving.It is a worry but I,m sure so is for pars and st j fans the prospect of losing loan signings gallacher deucher and quinn.

It is, but as things stand, talks have started about getting Gallagher on the longer term. Thank goodness too.





Just as a wee sidenote though, it's amazing how some people know SO much about other clubs finances. Must be a group of accountants on here.

Couldn,t agree more,as for gallacher he seems have did well for you do you think he will stay?

He's done a great job so far, including 2 penalty saves. He's been very assured and I'm confident if we can get Wilson and Bamba playing together in front of him without injury/suspension, we have the foundation of going on a decent run of results.

I have NEVER rated McKenzie and never felt confident with him in goals, Murdoch is a bit lightweight and young as well.

However, it will take a lot more for him to reach "Dorus" hero status

Even without all their star players Dundee would still be favourites to take this league.