The Pie Shop > St Johnstone 4-1 Hamilton

Fast_Action

Sep 30 2007, 12:08

QUOTE(academical @ Sep 30 2007, 11:39)

That's just nonsense. Akin to us accusing all St Johnstone fans of gloating in this thread, when it's really just you.

My friends and I stood around debating whether to wait for the helicopter to arrive to witness your title win, then decided it would take too long, so left. I was just outside the ground when the news came through that Gretna had scored - I did hear some cheers, but most Accies fans probably didn't give a toss either way. Those who cheered would have doing the typical football fans' contrarian thing of winding up the opposition.

Your post goes a long way to demonstrating that there is still in mindset in Perth that believes that the saintees are big time charlies that are too good for this league. Yes it has been humbling for some of them, but not all.

To see a Saintees victory yesterday as some sort of retribution for Accies fans cheering at the end of last season is just plain daft.

Academical, you will be aware that I am no fan of either Billy Reid or Ronnie McDonald. But I continue to like your club and fans - I am sure that you will have gathered that from some, if not all of my posts. You were hospitable to us when we were in the wilderness, and many of us will never forget that.

Should you go on to win this league, a bit of me will really be delighted for you. If not, I am sure that you will still finish above the Saintees.

Peter Henry Davidson

Sep 30 2007, 13:18

QUOTE(academical @ Sep 30 2007, 11:45)

Yes, I'm happy with Billy Reid's tactics. I'm also happy with his formations (not the same thing), which are more flexible than you suggest. When Gilhaney pushes forward with Offiong, it's 4-4-2; with Winters (or McCarthy) and Gilhaney getting forward, it can be 4-3-3; with Neil and McArthur sitting, allowing the rest of the midfield forward, it can be 4-2-3-1 or even 4-2-4.

I suspect we spent too long yesterday on the defensive after we scored (i.e., most of the game) and that can't have looked pretty, nor was it remotely effective. I wasn't happy with yesterday's result, but I doubt there'll be many like that this season.

Fair enough, you see them more often than me and your start to the season shows it works, just seemed to me that once you went behind keeping Offiong on and giving him a stike partner could have seen you get back into the game?

Also Gilhaney looks a great wee player how old is he?

SavotheGreat

Sep 30 2007, 13:20

QUOTE(Fast_Action @ Sep 30 2007, 13:08)

Your post goes a long way to demonstrating that there is still in mindset in Perth that believes that the saintees are big time charlies that are too good for this league.

You say that as if it is some sort of revelation. I've stated on numerous occassions that we are too good for this league and that we do indeed have a divine right to win it.

SavotheGreat

Sep 30 2007, 13:23

QUOTE(Peter Henry Davidson @ Sep 30 2007, 14:18)

Fair enough, you see them more often than me and your start to the season shows it works, just seemed to me that once you went behind keeping Offiong on and giving him a stike partner could have seen you get back into the game?

Yeh, but that's the problem, Hamilton don't have any other decent strikers/players.

cdisaaccie

Sep 30 2007, 13:45

QUOTE(SavotheGreat @ Sep 30 2007, 14:23)

Yeh, but that's the problem, Hamilton don't have any other decent strikers/players.

Give it up, everyone is tired of your moronic posts.

On a separate note, poster on AcciesWorld claims that Alex Neil is currently out with a knee ligament problem

Trevor the tractor

Sep 30 2007, 13:54

Well done Saints a well deserved victory. Next week will prove once and for all whether or not Accies will challenge this season. We should be right up for it as we now have a point to prove and i'm still confident that we will, After all we're all going to lose more games this season and the pressure is now off a little bit as everyone was expecting us to win every game which was never going to happen. I think this defeat will make us stronger.

Jydo

Sep 30 2007, 15:33

QUOTE(academical @ Sep 30 2007, 08:18)

Interesting reads from barringtonwomble and codfish. Clearly not our day, although I'm curious to get to the bottom of this "St Johnstone are our bogey team" line - atm, I lean more towards the Radford analysis that, tactically, Coyle has the measure of our man.

Disappointed that some Accies fans are still responding to Savo - come on, guys, he's a blatant wind-up merchant, so why rise to his bait? Time for a collective ignore.

As for SaintSam, my immediate reaction was that her gloating was OTT, but on reading the thread this morning I'm inclined to let her have her day in the sun. After all, this will probably be the highlight of St Johnstone's season. Okay, it was a bad day for us, or at least a bad 45 minutes, but all saintees achieved was a bit of catch-up that still leaves them 8 points adrift of us - and one or two are celebrating like they've won the league?! Time for a sense of proportion from both sides.

We were bound to get beaten sooner or later. It's disappointing that it's by such a margin, but if that shows Billy Reid that Elebert shouldn't be dropped then that's a positive. At this stage, I don't know if he was injured or it was tactical, but as FastAction has observed, the lad is now one of our key players. (We must have missed Elebert and Neil, but St Johnstone wee missing more players, so I'm not using that as an excuse, before anyone pounces.)

Finally, Acciesbhoy, the pic in your avatar shows the most homoerotic-looking Accies celebration I've seen - it's an embarrassment. Heat of the moment stuff for the players, I'm sure, but you choose to immortalise it in your sig?!

Immortalise? Are you more *comfortable* with it now?

SaintSam

Sep 30 2007, 16:34

QUOTE

As was proven yesterday, you only have to take Offiong out of the Hamilton squad for it to crumble. He was subbed after 61 minutes then we proceeded to score three goals. I can hear you say: "But Savo, he's not a defender", well, yes, that is correct, but attack is the best form of defence, as we again proved yesterday after the loss of both James and Ruti, our regular defensive partnership.

Since when was Rutkiewicz and James our regular defensive partnership? James and McManus are our regular defensive partnership. You just totally made that up.

SavotheGreat

Sep 30 2007, 18:30

QUOTE(SaintSam @ Sep 30 2007, 17:34)

Since when was Rutkiewicz and James our regular defensive partnership? James and McManus are our regular defensive partnership. You just totally made that up.

Ok.

James is fit. Ruti is fit. McManus is fit. Anderson is fit.

Who do you pick?

academical

Sep 30 2007, 20:41

QUOTE(Fast_Action @ Sep 30 2007, 13:08)

Your post goes a long way to demonstrating that there is still in mindset in Perth that believes that the saintees are big time charlies that are too good for this league. Yes it has been humbling for some of them, but not all.

To see a Saintees victory yesterday as some sort of retribution for Accies fans cheering at the end of last season is just plain daft.

Academical, you will be aware that I am no fan of either Billy Reid or Ronnie McDonald. But I continue to like your club and fans - I am sure that you will have gathered that from some, if not all of my posts. You were hospitable to us when we were in the wilderness, and many of us will never forget that.

Should you go on to win this league, a bit of me will really be delighted for you. If not, I am sure that you will still finish above the Saintees.

Ach, get off your knees, creep!

QUOTE(AcciesBhoy @ Sep 30 2007, 16:33)

Immortalise? Are you more *comfortable* with it now?

No, I can still see Elebert's upper thigh.

SaintSam

Sep 30 2007, 21:57

That's not the point, Savo. The point is you claimed that that was our "regular" defensive partnership. I can't remember a game where they've played together, let alone regularly. If all four are fit, McManus and James would be the starting two. There's no getting away from that. Personally, whilst I think James' leadership qualities are unparalleled in the side, the other three are better defenders.

Glasgowjag

Sep 30 2007, 22:03

QUOTE(SavotheGreat @ Sep 30 2007, 19:30)

Ok.

James is fit. Ruti is fit. McManus is fit. Anderson is fit.

Who do you pick?

none there aw pish

codfish

Sep 30 2007, 23:10

QUOTE(SaintSam @ Sep 30 2007, 10:27)

He's called Foghorn. Cut down to Foggy by Radford.

I prefer "Shouty Man", so will therefore stick with that

Kyle

Oct 1 2007, 07:15

I too prefer the phrase 'shouty man'.

On the game, that's the best I've seen us play this season by an absolute country mile. I've been a bit of a part timer this season for a few different reasons, but that game yesterday has encouraged me to go back without even kicking up a fuss or throwing a tantrum.

I thought the whole team deserved pass marks, particularly Irvine, McInnes, Sheerin and Jeuchson.

Main had his best game that I've seen him play for us too. No chance really with the goal, but pulled off a couple of really good saves in the second half.

Got to say though, I'm very encouraged by the strike partnership that's forming/formed up top. Those two look almost made for each other. So much so infact that I have decided to amalgamate their names together. This should be done by all self respecting Saintees until one or the other leave the club... and two become one

Radford

Oct 1 2007, 07:48

QUOTE(SaintSam @ Sep 30 2007, 22:57)

That's not the point, Savo. The point is you claimed that that was our "regular" defensive partnership. I can't remember a game where they've played together, let alone regularly. If all four are fit, McManus and James would be the starting two. There's no getting away from that. Personally, whilst I think James' leadership qualities are unparalleled in the side, the other three are better defenders.

James and Rutkiewicz played together for basically the whole of the 2005/06 season, after Mark Campbell dropped out of things remember.

I do agree that McManus and James would be his preferred two man pairing but think Kevin James is the best defender we have. Steven Anderson has shown in the past few games why he's not a first pick, he needs to cut the errors out of his game. Maybe harsh to blame him for sliding in on Saturday but two poor headers have allowed Thistle and Brechin to grab goals against us.

SaintSam

Oct 1 2007, 10:18

The more I thought about it last night, I do remember Rutkiewicz turning his Saints career around and coming onto form in that season and realised he must've been playing alongside James as Campbell was ditched after a while. I don't believe that was what Savo was really referring to though, and I still think it's wrong for him to suggest we were missing the two that would usually play together in the middle.

I take your point about Andersons mistakes but that's probably down to his age. In terms of sheer ability as a defender, McManus, Rutkiewicz and Anderson are all better than James, surely? Taking nothing away from Kev, just pure ability? I think all three are better. James will always play though and having seen a clip before Wednesdays Dundee - Celtic game of him consoling one of our players after the Hibs game, McInnes or McManus? you know why he plays.

Owsley

Oct 1 2007, 14:37

Saints bossed the game from about the 10th minute onwards. Feared the worst at half time but hoped we couldn't be as poor again. Got that wrong. Very impressed with Rocco Quinn, gets in about players and started most attacks. We missed Neil but even with him I think we'd have lost. We need a Mensing/Hardie type in there. McArthur and McCarthy have big futures but it's asking too much of them to control midfield against the likes of McInnes, Sheerin and Quinn.

Some Accies fans blame our defence but they had a thankless task, with wave after wave of attacks to deal with. We also need to give Offiong a partner. Getting a stronger midfield would perhaps enable us to go 442 instead of 451 and stop Offy looking so disconsolate at times.

Good to see a (soon to be) 40 year old Accies fan getting in the boys gate. Wish I'd tried it myself, got in last time aged 34! Seriously £17 is an absolute joke.

SavotheGreat

Oct 1 2007, 14:38

QUOTE(Owsley @ Oct 1 2007, 15:37)

We need a Mensing/Hardie type in there.

As do we.

Fife Saint

Oct 1 2007, 17:10

Excellent performances from Quinn, Irvine and Jacko. The Offiong/Hamilton midfield that showed up on Saturday was the one i expected and have seen before. Ineffectual. They must play well because you don't get to the top of the league playing gash but i've yet to see it. In saying that i still think we have a fair bit to go in terms of focus. The goal after 5 mins was criminal.

The only conclusion i can see is that we are their bogey team. It means absolutely nothing if we go to Almondvale and turn in another piss poor performance. Saintsam i would calm down a bit. The hysterical posts you have made have a habit of coming back and biting your arse.

In saying that c'mon you bloomen.

Jydo

Oct 1 2007, 18:17

QUOTE(academical @ Sep 30 2007, 21:41)

Ach, get off your knees, creep!

No, I can still see Elebert's upper thigh.

lol. I'll have another bash at it later on with an airbrush. In the meantime sorry for your uncomfortable inconvenience.

badger_whacker

Oct 1 2007, 18:41

Firstly, 17 quid for entry, and they don't even do student entry....all they're missing is the black and white hooped t-shirt.

I thought we were eventually gonna end our St.Johnstone voodoo on Saturday after the first 3 minutes. We came out flying but after 3 minutes we just dissappeared.

I couldn't believe how fired up Saints were after the break, and thats why Coyle's a good manager (and general pain in the @ss to accies for years).

Also, has Offiong played more than one game this season (Partick). The guy does absolutely nothing, and when we were in attack on Saturday, he wasn't even making good movement, and I'm talking on two occasions when we were on the counter, 2 on 2.

Maybe you can give Accies my 17 quid back and take him off our hands...........PLEEEEEASE!!!

Shotts56

Oct 2 2007, 11:40

QUOTE(Fife Saint @ Oct 1 2007, 18:10)

Excellent performances from Quinn, Irvine and Jacko. The Offiong/Hamilton midfield that showed up on Saturday was the one i expected and have seen before. Ineffectual. They must play well because you don't get to the top of the league playing gash but i've yet to see it.

Take Alex Neil out of the middle of the park for us and we really struggle. Saturday proved it. As outstanding as young McCarthy & McArthur are, they don't yet have the experience or the dig to boss a midfield.

Hopefully his injury isn't too serious or we could have a problem.

Todd_is_God

Oct 2 2007, 12:55

QUOTE(Shotts56 @ Oct 2 2007, 12:40)

Take Alex Neil out of the middle of the park for us and we really struggle. Saturday proved it. As outstanding as young McCarthy & McArthur are, they don't yet have the experience or the dig to boss a midfield.

Do we? We controlled Kilmarnock pretty well without him...

baj2504

Oct 2 2007, 13:15

QUOTE(Todd_is_God @ Oct 2 2007, 13:55)

Do we? We controlled Kilmarnock pretty well without him...

Yes, but in that game we had Stevenson playing the holding midfield role in place of Neil. On Saturday, McArthur was asked to play this role, with Taylor and McCarthy asked to control the midfield and support the striker(s). It did not wotk, as we miss McArthur's bite in midfield, which is why we could close Killie down.

I would like to know why Stevenson was not even on the bench on Saturday (injured?), as he is a straight replacement for Neil in this formation. Also, please Billy, never play Marko and Swailes together again as they they both lacked pace, which Elebert provides

Anyway, here's looking forward to getting back onto the winning way against Dundee.

Todd_is_God

Oct 2 2007, 14:18

QUOTE(baj2504 @ Oct 2 2007, 14:15)

Yes, but in that game we had Stevenson playing the holding midfield role in place of Neil. On Saturday, McArthur was asked to play this role, with Taylor and McCarthy asked to control the midfield and support the striker(s). It did not wotk, as we miss McArthur's bite in midfield, which is why we could close Killie down.

I would like to know why Stevenson was not even on the bench on Saturday (injured?), as he is a straight replacement for Neil in this formation. Also, please Billy, never play Marko and Swailes together again as they they both lacked pace, which Elebert provides

Anyway, here's looking forward to getting back onto the winning way against Dundee.

That's not quite the same as "take neil out and we're done for" tho, is it? I agree Tony Stevenson is a crackin player. What you really mean is, billy choosing the wrong player to play the holding role has us done for, rather than just the fact that neil was missing. Far too much is made of neil's contribution to the side IMO.