This would be because he is not a Thistle fan TL, but a sad stalker.

Now watch him reply to this, knowing that in common with most Clyde fans here, I have him on ignore.

Cant believe some of the garbage spouted by both sets of fans on here.

For 43 minutes we had a very even match, lighted up by two good goals, and very little refereeing impact(although it could be argued that if a linesman sees a stamp - as indicated - a yellow card cannot be given). Then Dorrans gets the ball at least a yard offside, slices his shot wide and gets a penalty and a man advantage. Astonishing decision number1!

Then 7 minutes into the second half, Livi are breaking at pace, Kirkup holds up Snodgrass, who tries to wrestle himself free and catches Kirkup on the face. Intentional? no! contact made - yes! Red Card? Never. Astonishing decision number 2!

Christian Smith then gets the most amazing booking, for winning a header, no climbing or elbows or anything, just a good early leap, with Fox of Livi making no attempt to head the ball. Astonishing decision number 3!

With about 15 minutes to go, a cross by a Livi player is defelcted onto the arm(debatable if it even was his arm) of Smith, and the ref gives a penalty, which Livi are kind enough to miss. Not true actually, Hutton pulled off one of his many excellent stops second half. Astonishing decision number 4!

With 5 minutes to go, Imrie trips over the ball in the box, Clyde get a penalty that was never a penalty! Astonishing decision number 5!

3 minutes to go and Christian Smith goes in on Kennedy and takes ball, man and everything else. Very strong tackle. Foul? Possibly? Yellow card would have been harsh, but when you add his lauaghable first booking, to send him off when he got the ball is a joke. Astonishing decision number 6!

Sour grapes? Absolutely, and with good reason. I would have no problem applauding Livi if there victory was 100% merited, but I would argue with every Livi supporter who would say there was a huge gulf before their first penalty.

What I will say is that Craig and Pesir are easily the best striking duo we have came up against. It's very easy to criticise the defence, but with 1 less in midfield, it would always be hard against a very pacy team. Tinkler showed a lot of experience and knew when to go in hard, but mostly fair. Kennedy also looked impressive, when the pressure was off.

Finally, for all you Imrie lovers out there, if it werent for the suspensions next week, I'd drop him in a minute. Shocking attitude, perfectly summed up, when he over-celebrated a nothing goal, which he conned to get. Playing for himself and thinking he's better than he actually is.

I couldn't stop laughing at Imrie after he scored the penalty, he ran off celebrating as if it was the winning goal in the World Cup Final instead of a late consolation goal

The rest of the Clyde team just looked at him as if to say "what a twat !!"

thankfully I wasn't at the game. Sounds like there were 3 sendings off for very little !

You've said what we've all been trying to avoid saying because of our moaning reputation.

Someone had to.

I will say we should have coped better with the man disadvantage though, and still didn't look to clever at 10 v 10

I see the referee was one Mike Tumilty.

Can't say I am surprised to see his name linked to match with shoddy officiating.

All three pens were debateable really.

Dorrans didn't look offside when he got the ball but I think the pen was a little harsh as it was a clumsy challenge more than anything and I think I'm right in saying the ball was already gone so it was hardly stopping a goalscoring oppertunity?

The second livi pen was a "win some/loose some" as it definately bounced up to his hand but the ball wasn't really going anywhere. Can't believe MacKay even took the pen.

The clyde pen was the worst of the lot though. Sack of potatoes and then celebrates like nothing on earth. What a complete fanny.

Never 3 sending offs. Never 3 penalties. Never only two goals in it. Your keeper won't be at clyde for long if he carries on like that.

The handball rule states simply that if contact of hand/arm with ball seems natural (unintentional/unavoidable) then no decision, however if it seems unnatural (intentional/deliberate) then a decision is awarded - whatever it may be.

There is no more than that.

If Smith deliberately hand balled, I'm Fred Dibnah.

Yet your first post states that Their second penalty was correct, as was ours and Smith deserved to go!

Smith didn't even deserve a ruddy yellow! Two legitimate takings of the ball.

First of all his header, which was completely sound, no arms, no climbing - no nothing! Just a well timed jump and clean header of the ball without impeding his opponent.

Second of all his tackle, again, completely legit; won the ball cleanly.
It was as hard and as fair a tackle as you'll see.

As Colin said in his post-match interview: "Tackling is an art." Smith is an artist!

If you swing a punch in front of the Ref then you deserve to go. It didn't look enough of a contact to merit Kirkup going down holding his face but still, he swing his fist.

As for the Livi second goal, Dorrans timed his run perfectly and beat the offside. I was right in line with it. MacLennan was daft to slide in as you JUST KNOW it will be a straight red if you don't get the ball.

Livi deserved the win because they constantly got in behind our defence by playing the early ball to the forwards (take note please Imrie) who made good runs.

I was disappointed by the behaviour of Fox doing a "Trezeguet" towards Imrie just before he was subbed.

Dorrans looked impressive for Livi. Closed down and intercepted many of Higgins' attempted passes and also looked comfortable on the ball.

Last seasons tightest defence now looks like a gaping hole. Stirling are a stick on for their first win of the season next week.

We've been labelled as moaning b*****ds so much on here that I actually believed that we were and was trying desperately to avoid it.

Totally forgot about Smiths first yellow, could argue he deserved to go for persistent fouling, but on balance was very harsh. Their second penalty I really didn't see that well.

Smith has been a red card waiting to happen from reports on here and from seeing his tackles in our game at Broadwood. There's simply no need for him to be diving in like a raging bull, he's a big strong guy and can win the ball without threatening to break a leg. If he went in like that when already on a yellow and with a referee having a shocker, then he only has himself to blame.

Players shouldn't need to adjust their games around a referee.

Christian Smith, before yesterday, had only one yellow card to his name, for kicking the ball away. His tackles are hard but fair.

First Part Of Game

Referee actually started well, with play flowing well from end to end. Our goal was a cracker - brilliant pass by McGregor, good play by Imrie and then a neat pullback to McGowan who got across the defender well.

Still, we had gifted them possession time and time again, mainly through the uncharacteristically sloppy Higgins and when Bestvina played a poor pass, we were in trouble. Kirkup too slow, no-one covering due to the pace of the break and neat finish from the impressive Pesir. Disappointed, as I doubt a team who defend deep (e.g. Hamilton) would have conceded this goal.

Referee loses the plot

First major decision he had to make was to red card Craig for swinging an elbow at McGregor. Perhaps unsighted but he managed to give us a freekick for the incident so I've no idea why further punishment wasn't dished out - it was fairly blatant.

Second decision was to choose not to send off Mitchell for his stamp on McGregor. FWIW, I thought it was a case of a guy trying to find his footing and as such, not even a foul but once the linesman says it's a stamp, it CAN NOT be a yellow card - it has to be a red. Then he was a bit lucky to escape a red for a high challenge on Imrie later in the half.

Through out this, there was a couple of chances for both sides. Cardle did well to cut inside McCaffrey only to be denied by Liberda and McGregor had an effort from the corner blocked on the line. Livi had plently of possession without creating any real sitters, though Craig had a goal ruled out for a marginal offside. Very impressed by how well they closed down possession through out the game.

Then the real controversy. A neat break following a Clyde freekick and Dorrans is left through on goal (definately onside). McLennan stupidly slides in but appears to get nowhere near the ball, Dorrans catches his own heel and slices wide. That was my reading of it and I'm prepared to believe McLennan may have nicked him if there's some video evidence. McLennan was daft enough to slide in though, like McGregor's daft nudge on Offiong in the Hamilton game, so it's understandable that the referee took the option that he did.

Second Half - Car Crash Refereeing

We started okay given the numerical disadvantage but the red card for Snodgrass obviously changed things considerably. I didn't see the incident so can't comment.

Can't remember the next incident to cause controversy, maybe the two-footed tackles by Tinkler (not a problem for me given that he took the ball fairly but given what was to come...) or the completely ridiculous booking shown to Smith for the heinous crime of winning a header. If it wasn't for the comical passback decision by Willie Collum in the Dunfermline cup game, then that would be the worst decision I've ever seen.

One Minute Of Madness

Terribly sloppy defending for the two goals in a minute. First Bestvina and Kirkup doze off as Tinkler plays a neat freekick forward - good finish by Craig. Then for the second, McGregor had his usual daft moment, trying to shoulder charge Craig off the ball and just ended up decking himself. Brilliant block by Higgins in the middle but Fox followed up well.

Car Crash Refereeing - Part 2

After the 4th went in, we didn't shown any desire to defend and just pushed forward and Livi could have conceivably scored 6 or 7 but for some top class goalkeeping. The penalty was another abysmal decision but the save was excellent. As for the save when Pesir tried to chest the ball in - I'd love to know how he got that one over the bar.

Then we earned ourselves a spot kick when Imrie got blown over. To be fair, we should have had one 5 seconds earlier when McGregor went for the rebound from Valentim's close range header so the spotkick was deserved. Mental celebration

Finally, the second yellow. I was of the opinion that Smith should have been subbed after the 4th goal - not because he was playing poorly but because we couldn't afford to risk losing another midfielder. The tackle was a heavy but he clearly took the ball and there was NO difference between that tackle and the ones Tinkler had produced earlier in the game, except for the ridiculous over-reaction from the Livingston players.

To summarise, Livingston are arguably the best side we've played this season. The main advantage they have is a great forward four, with lots of pace and strength. Although they deserved their win and conceivably could have netted 6 or 7, up until the 3rd goal, there was not much between the sides.

It's important we don't lose touch with reality. That display was nothing compared with the dross against Thistle/Raith. For 43 minutes, we were producing a good away performance (solid enough defensively, excellent breaking forward down the wings) spoiled by playing too high a line on one occasion. It is worrying how easily we collapse though.

Higgins produced his worst display for a couple of years, Kirkup was slow but we should have adapted to that by sitting deeper. He's also been a standout the last two games so maybe it was just a bad day at the office. Bestvina was solid enough and McGregor played well bar the daft error to cost the 4th goal.

Smith was good again with Masterton disappointing. I can understand Saintees comments on Smith's tackling but he's been nothing but perfect in every other game. Imrie finally produced an assist but his overall delivery was poor. Cardle produced his best performance, he'll be a good player for us. McGowan doesn't offer anything up front, hopefully big Valentim will be ready for next week - he looked like he'll give us something different.

Bad loser this guy is ehh..
so basically, all our team are divers, we're cheats, your sending off werent red cards because you guys are squeeky clean ???
my arse mate, you should be the one away home to your mum crying your eyes out.
And 3 penalties ??? What game were you watchin ya p***k?

We dominated the game after Clyde score the first... and should have had more than 6 to be honest.
Easy game really, stole on next week...
Pesir gets better and better every week.

Best part of the game though was when your lad scored the penalty and ran off like you had won the league, to then turn around and see the players walking away and the fans not really celebrating that much.
Diddy

Now if there was no name on that report how would I just know it was done by a Clyde fan.
"Livi are arguably the best side we have played this season. And Livi could have netted 6 or 7 but there was not much between the sides." - eh?? Sorry mate but Clyde were the worst side I've seen this season, including Livi at Firhill where we were abysmal.

It hardly takes an FBI agent to work it out

There was nothing between the sides until the 3rd goal which was an exceptionally soft one to lose. After that, Livi could have netted 6 or 7. Understand?

Aye, ok, if you say so.

I totally agree with LiviClyde's summing up of the game.

Livi undoubtedly deserved to win, and had it not been for Hutton they would have won by 4 or 5.

The referee was shocking (for both sides), and made some absolutely ridiculous decisions.
Penalties 1 and 3 were never penalties. I couldn't see no. 2 properly because it was up the other end of the park, but it did look to me like Smith made an @rse of a clearance, mishit the ball, and it hit him on his arm (as opposed to arm to ball) so I don't think that one was a penalty either.

Sendings-off 1 and 2 were both farcical.
Also, Smith's first booking was ridiculous, as he was booked for winning a header with the other guy going right over the top of him. The second booking he won the ball, but it was a reckless challenge at speed, which could have been a leg-breaker.

No 2 Mitchell's boot landed right in McGregor's privates. I thought it was accidental. The assistant ref thought different. A booking was obviously wrong either way. Accidental - no booking. Intentional - straight red.

We (ie scottish football) have a serious problem with the standard of refereeing. This display had to be seen to be believed. Having said that, he did ok for the first 42 minutes, before getting virtually every major decision wrong after that.

As for Dougie Imrie - I've stood up for him since the Ross McCabe incident, but I'm now rapidly running out of patience with him. He made a goal, scored a goal, but gave the ball away every time and/or moaned at teammates constantly in between. The penalty was a dive. Him grabbing the ball off of Smith (who had been told to take the penalty) was ridiculous, and his celebrations after scoring were a total embarassment. A team player doesn't celebrate when you're 4-2 down.
Start playing for the team Dougie, instead of for yourself - or f*ck off to whereever it is you reckon you should be playing.

Jesus! More disecting going on here than one of Gunther von Hagens' TV shows...

Managed to get three dirty looks of Hendry good result from my seat, it ranks up there with Rowan Alexander from last season.

Imrie walked off with the biggest smirk on his face. He knew he got a lucky penalty at the close going down when he tripped up for the second time in the space of a minute with minimum and then no contact whatsoever. The one he fell over on the sidelines seconds before the penalty he was actually trying to push Mitchell over until Mitch side stepped away from him slightly and he over balanced. The end result was that Clyde players immediately after that incident and their own red card tried to do as much as they could to make the ref give him a second yellow. There were at least three challenges that Mitch made around half time that the diving were of Olympic standard.

The ref was riduculous something that even Hendry's words on the sidelines agreed with at times when some decisions even went his way. The ref started out pedantically placing throw-ins then seemed to care less and less. He booked Mitchell for heaven knows what after he was mowed down from behind the only thing I can think was that after he was upended his feet must have come down on the player beneath him.

The ref had already missed two handballs before he gave us our penalty in the box, which I disagree with Steven C was a clear advantage as the ball was heading towards a Livi player before being deflected away by an arm raised above shoulder height.

Have to admit Clyde's first goal caught us napping a bit in defence but was well taken. Although our partnership of Pesir and Craig showed just what they could do and lead to what should have been a more confortable win.

Top half of the table now though the gap from 3rd to tenth is now only 5 points. A win by us next week could lift us to 3rd or 4th place or drop us to 7th depending on results elsewhere.

Yet we managed to compete quite comfortably when it was 11 vs 11, what does that say about how good you're team are?

The simple truth is that 11 vs 11, it was even, then the ref ruined the spectacle. Pesir and Craig were excellent up front and caused us problems, that our defensive performance may have yielded to eventually.

It was only 11 v 10 for 10 minutes and all we scored in that time was the penalty whcih was the result of you red card. When it became 10 v 10 we scored twice to your once. So actually when there were 11 v 11 on the park it was 2-1 as the sending off could not have affected the scoring of the penalty. Then with 10 v 10 it was also 2-1 so we dominated the game at all times when it was level in players on the park.

It was enough to give you the momentum, which we couldn't stop even when Snodgrass walked.

edit, DD pointed out mistake, always get them two mixed up for some reason

For Dorrans read Snodgrass as Graham only walked when he was substituted late on.