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Big_Andy
With the over zealous polis, the so called security etc nipping yer heid when you stand up to sing, or stand up cause theres a near miss, seats are shite.

Seats are cauld in the winter. On terracing, you can stand beside a few fat b*****ds and get sheltered from the elements.

Seats have as much aptmosphere as the moon. You have to be standing to let the sound come from yer belly when singing. Terrace for better aptmosphere.

Seats means you are sitting, and when you bite into a low quality Div 2 pie (such as Starks Parks shite greasy kid on meat efforts), it lands on your lap! If yer standing, the pie may run down your shirt, but doesn't land on your lap making it look like you missed the curtains after self abusing!

Seats are uncomfy and sair on the erse. If you are standing on the terrace, you can sit down on the terrace for a wee while if the lager legs kick in! In seats you have no choice thanks to the p***k polis / stewards.

Terrace means you don't get in folks road when you go for a pish or a pie. 50 folk don't have to stand to let you past, cause they are already standing.......

Seats mean you are in target for the Rovers warm up for a ball in the pus! Terracing you can dive out the road leaving your neebur behind to get whacked in the pus.......

BRING BACK THE TERRACES!

We want football stadiums, not lego land efforts. Worst seats are Morton, where you have to watch the game with your head between your knees, as the builders were oompah loompahs! mad.gif

Next worse is at Starks Park, MY ground. There even used to be an aptmosphere on the terracing on a Friday night when there wasn't anybody there! Terrace = aptmosphere.
Since they put up the crappy seated stands, the aptmosphere died(although Fifes Finest are trying to get it back).

To sum up, bring back the terrace!
'Steve
I love Glebe Park. biggrin.gif
BIGQ FAE KDY
Lads check out a football fans website called www.standupsitdown.co.uk and see what you think its all about seating at football etc etc
garymcc1874
Bring a support to Cappielow then you'll be able to get in the Wee Dublin End then. smile.gif rolleyes.gif

FWIW I hate the seats at Cappielow in the Main Stand too, the ones in the Cowsehd are ok though.
Duracell Bunny
http://s12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown...p?showtopic=184

Depressing see what used to be, Wish I had got the chance to go into the Kop or the Stretford End.

I was at Hampden for the Motherwell v Dundee United final but that was my first season of getting into football so I missed the chance to visit grounds like that.

It's killed football in this country and it will never recover, the real football fans are forced out and they are being replaced by plastics by greed.

It's nothing to do with safety and we all know this it's about control.

Sao Paulo
I love standing watching football, As a matter of fact, the times I remember standing for the full 90 include, Clyde 3-1 Morton, Clyde 3-0 Falkirk, Clyde 2-1 Celtic, Clyde 2-1 Partick Thistle.

Not bad eh? it's a bit of a routine now i've done it since away at queens and we've yet to be beat biggrin.gif
DJP
I think a massive majority of football fans who are over 18 and have been on the terraces miss them. I hate all seater stadiums. But as I have said many a time, the clubs don't care about us. All the want now is the plastic family event that Sky tv have tried to create. Now all they want is families going there (as they will spend alot on merchandise and it is something to tell the office bods on a monday morning, "oh i went to Chelsea v Arsenal) and Business people.

Just think if there was still terracing there could be 70,000+ easy in Hampden park and with people standing the atmosphere would be electric and it really would be the 12th man we need v France tomorrow.

As the topic starter said, I hate these lego grounds, they all look the same and have no characther. The days off mass charges/bundles when you score a goal are long gone. I feel sorry for the yoof of today who go to football and have never experienced anything like it.
Kilo
I much prefer standing at the football.

I tend to go for back-row seats whenever we are away from Tynecastle, as you can usually get away with standing there. This season I have stood at Pittodrie, Murrayfield 4 times, Alloa and Prague!
Steak & Barley
QUOTE(São Paulo @ Oct 6 2006, 19:40) [snapback]1219504[/snapback]

I love standing watching football, As a matter of fact, the times I remember standing for the full 90 include, Clyde 3-1 Morton, Clyde 3-0 Falkirk, Clyde 2-1 Celtic, Clyde 2-1 Partick Thistle.

Not bad eh? it's a bit of a routine now i've done it since away at queens and we've yet to be beat biggrin.gif


Yeah I can remember standing for the full 90 at a few games including:

Clyde 0-4 Morton, Morton 4-0 Clyde, Morton 4-1 Clyde, Morton 6-1 Clyde

Pity we don't play standing up as often these days smile.gif
bubbaTON
all this family orientated shite and PC twats who followfootball thse days (many on this board)

and seats etc have ruined football. Terracing doesn't have to be dangerous,terracing was at the world cup but the numbers were regulated and it was fine
Big_Andy
Exactly. I seriously think they should bring back the terraces. Make them all season ticket only, and make you sign a liability waiver for the club so that you can stand at the games. Would only work for home fans at first obviously, but would be a start. The whole area on the road side of Starks Park, as well as in front of the Main Stand used to be terraced. About time it was rebuilt as terrace. I for one would definately stand there. In fact I hate seats so much I'd pay EXTRA to go on terracing! I used to like when we could stand behind the goals at Starks if the Rovers were shooting that way, then go round to the road side terracing for the second half, remembering to stop outside the dressing rooms to listen to Frankie Connor chucking cups and verbal abuse at the players. Ah the memories. Pity the memories are being eroded by PC numpties. The same numpties who are making living in this country unreal. The same numpties who make me feel guilty because I'm not a muslim, just in case I offend them etc..........Political Correctness sucks, just like terraces. I long for the days when we can basically do what we want without some bleeding heart stropping. The Hillsborough disaster was a disaster, but it was NOT caused by fans on terraces. It was caused by the police and officials at Hillsborough. Yes, the 96 or so who died should be mourned etc, but reality has to kick in. At a cup semi final like that, then fair enough, limit the numbers etc instead of forcing folk to sit down. I can't see a problem with terraces though if Raith for example were playing Ayr, or even go up the leagues a bit and if we were playing Kilmarnock or even the likes of Aberdeen again. The old frm, Dunfermline, or the Edimburgh two would obviously have to be severely restricted though, as they are usually close to sell outs.
Tatty Boabie
QUOTE(DJP @ Oct 6 2006, 19:58) [snapback]1219515[/snapback]

I think a massive majority of football fans who are over 18 and have been on the terraces miss them. I hate all seater stadiums. But as I have said many a time, the clubs don't care about us. All the want now is the plastic family event that Sky tv have tried to create. Now all they want is families going there (as they will spend alot on merchandise and it is something to tell the office bods on a monday morning, "oh i went to Chelsea v Arsenal) and Business people.

Just think if there was still terracing there could be 70,000+ easy in Hampden park and with people standing the atmosphere would be electric and it really would be the 12th man we need v France tomorrow.

As the topic starter said, I hate these lego grounds, they all look the same and have no characther. The days off mass charges/bundles when you score a goal are long gone. I feel sorry for the yoof of today who go to football and have never experienced anything like it.


I feel sorry for them as well, it was superb in the moshpit when your team scored a goal. You seem to move forward about 20 yards, and then come back up again without actually doing anything.

Sorry about being on the wrong forum, but the 3rd Division forum is a bit quiet tonight.
Gnash
I prefer sitting.
Duracell Bunny
Football fans are idiots!!

Not totally related to seating but I agree with most if not all of it.

http://s12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown...p?showtopic=238

''He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" - Groucho Marx.
Football fans are idiots. Or, to rephrase that sentence using less incendiary language: when it comes to football, intelligent people act stupid. And yes, that probably includes you.
After all, you remain hooked on a sport that has, over the past decade, become as competitive as a F1 warm-up lap - while at the same time taking ever-larger chunks out of your salary. Smart people would stand up to such exploitation. Football fans prefer to revel in their "hardcore" commitment.
Even if a match is shunted to some unholy hour to accommodate Sky, you think nothing of travelling hundreds of miles to sit in a stadium with all the atmosphere of a wake, to show loyalty to your club. The same club that's always thinking of ingenious new ways to bleed you dry.
When it comes to football, your rationality goes awol. You worship players who are at best indifferent to you, and at worst despise you. If a referee makes a dubious decision against your team, he's a wonker or a cheat. And if a journalist writes something you disagree with, he carries a vendetta.
Your idiocy doesn't end there. For you take more interest in pre-season friendlies - games which are, without exception, about as meaningful as Gazza's comedy breasts - than the growing inequality between football's haves and have-nots and what to do about it.
In short, you're an idiot.
A prediction...
Here's what will happen in the Premiership this season: Chelsea, or Arsenal or Manchester United, will win the title. Liverpool will come fourth. One of the 10 or 11 teams who graze in mid-table will surprise us, but the rest won't. And at least one newly-promoted side will go straight back down. Surprised? Appalled? Or just thinking: 'Yeah, and?'
If it's the latter, you perhaps reckon football has always been this predictable ("Didn't Liverpool win everything in the 80s?"), but the facts don't back that up.
Everyone remembers that Manchester United pick-pocketed the first Premiership title in 1992-93 - what seems amazing now is that Aston Villa finished second, Norwich third, Blackburn fourth and QPR fifth. And that's not a skewed example - between 1985-95, 13 different clubs finished in the top three, exactly the same number as in the previous decade (and the decade before that).
In the last 10 years, that figure was just six [Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Leeds]. And with Champions League money and Roman Abramovich's hard-earned roubles swishing around, the gap between the rich and the rest is widening by the season. It used to be that if you lost less than seven games you'd win the league - but since Boxing Day 2002, when Manchester United lost to Middlesbrough, the eventual Premiership winners have lost just one league game between them (Chelsea's 1-0 defeat at Manchester City) in 95 matches.
But here's the rub: despite being as predictable as a Jo Brand fat-gag, the Premiership is as popular as ever. Why? No really, why?
Another season, another price rise...
Oil prices and company directors' pay-rises apart, few things in life are consistently more inflation-busting than season ticket price-hikes. But each May, most fans' response is thuddingly predictable: a moan, a brief moment of contemplation, and then a question - do you take Visa or MasterCard?
Arsenal might just be able to justify charging £1,825, the most expensive season ticket in the Premiership, by citing market forces - but how can Millwall get away with asking £29 to watch their match with Sheffield Wednesday? Or Bristol Rovers with demanding £415 for a League Two season ticket? Because you let them.
As Stefan Szmanski and Tim Kuypers show in Winners & Losers, The Business Strategy of Football, demand for football in the UK - like cigarettes and booze - is price inelastic. That is, when prices go up, demand dips only slightly. Cue smiles in boardrooms across the land.
They wouldn't stand for it on the continent. A cheap ticket for Borussia Dortmund costs under £10, Roma just £15, and a Real Madrid season ticket is a bargain £200. Fans stand up for themselves more in mainland Europe; in England they just roll over.
Oh what an atmosphere
So what do you get for your over-priced match ticket? Football that's sharper and sexier than a decade ago? Yes, if you support the big four. But elsewhere the standard has dipped, simply because of the top clubs' spending power. Ten years ago, for instance, Manchester City would have built their team around Shaun-Wright Phillips. Now he's merely a Chelsea reserve.
The atmosphere's become rubbish too. Go to a match 15 or more years ago, and by 2.30pm the terraces would reverberate with a Spector-esque wall of sound. Even if the game was dire, the chants and terrace witticisms would turn it into a spectacle of sorts - albeit one where hooliganism was rife.
These days at home matches, what usually happens? You get to the ground at 2.50pm, just in time to hear a local radio DJ induce a faux-atmosphere by shouting: "Are you ready? I said: Are you ready? Let's make some noise!" Like sheep, the crowd responds, sings one song, and then settles back into silence.
The truth is, you probably only leave your seat only when a goal is scored, five minutes before half-time (to go to the toilet and scoff down a congealed pie in four bites or less) and, 10 minutes before the end "to beat the traffic". And you pay £20, £30 or £40 for this? Every other week?
The loyalty card
Some fans will accept all the above, but defend themselves with the greatest idiocy of all. The loyalty argument. Simply put, you love your club, and believe that - on some level - there's a bond between you, the players and your team. You'd follow them everywhere, perhaps even fight for them. Sadly, it's not reciprocated.
"While the pros are polite to supporters, they think them fools," wrote Rick Gekoski in his excellent book on Coventry's 1997-98 season, A Fan Behind The Scenes In The Premiership. "I was reminded of a conversation I'd had with John Salako. 'Fans,' he said, 'most of them are sad. They think the game is more important than it is, it says something about the miserable kind of lives they must lead. They get things out of proportion.'
"Another player, who did not wish to be named, said: 'Fans? Come on. Players hate fans.'"
I know one agent who tells his players, who mostly play in the lower leagues, to kiss the badge when they first score for their new club. "Most fans buy it every single time," he chuckles. And that's not all you buy. There's the season ticket, the third alternative away strip, the premium rate text service to keep you abreast of your reserve striker's groin injury, etc and so on. When are you going to realise that when your favourite club isn't counting your cash, it's laughing at you?
Absence of reason and imagination
Football, as 'creative' advertising types never tire of telling us, is like a religion. They mean it in a positive sense - ignoring the fact that religion is antithetical to reason and rationality.
Examples abound. Whenever a star player leaves for a big club and more money, fans swarm onto Sky Sports News or the local radio, each spitting "betrayal" with Paisleyesque venom. The fact that they'd switch employers for a 200% pay rise without a millisecond's thought seems lost on them.
Meanwhile journalists who dare criticise a winning team - as acquaintances of mine did by suggesting Greece's Euro 2004 win was bad for football and that Liverpool were dull to watch in the Champions League last season - receive a steady thud-thud of abusive emails and are accused on message boards of having a 'vendetta' or a 'hidden agenda'. The truth is usually more prosaic: the hack's verdict is just one opinion in a game awash with them. Nothing more.
Sadly, intelligent, measured comment from fans - always a sickly child - is now on its deathbed. It says it all when Radio Five Live's 606, once the cr? de la cr? of football talk shows, is now a starchy mix of the vain, inane and the ignorant. And what DJ Spoony, the show's regular host, knows about football could be written on the label of a 12-inch vinyl.
A few good men (and women)
That's not to say intelligent, hard-working and crusading football fans don't exist. Just look at Lincoln, where supporters were involved in part of a community buy-out in 2001 - attendances are up and so are profits. Ditto trust-owned Chesterfield, which has gone from £2m in debt to break even, with the highest gates in 24 seasons. And then there's Luton, who having escaped the clutches of John Gurney largely due to fans' pressure and a skilful media campaign, now stand atop the Championship.
The trouble is, there are just seven clubs in the country owned by supporters' trusts - while only 23 trusts have elected directors on the board. Mutual trusts need to become the norm, not the exception, and that needs fans to get stuck in.
Another problem is that supporters remain stunningly insular. When it's your club being dragged over the coals, you fight tooth and nail. When it's the club up the road, you merely shrug your shoulders. Most fans were rightly appalled by how the FA allowed Wimbledon move to Milton Keynes - but how many protested?
What is to be done?
Football, for all its faults, is still the best sport in the world. But it has become an increasingly ugly mix of Thatcherite greed and Gradgrindian inequality. It needs to be taken down a peg - and supporters are the best ones to do it.
So, here's a plan of sorts. Start by refusing to become a slave to football's pointless merry-go-round every summer. Take the transfer gossip pages with a pinch of salt (trust me, most of it really is made up) and certainly don't bother frittering your money on pointless pre-season friendlies or the Intertoto Cup (you never know, Uefa might eventually get the message).
Instead, get out more. Enjoy the sporting summer: Wimbledon, the Open, the flat season, rugby league, cricket, whatever - all sports where Corinthian values haven't yet been splayed by a pernicious win-at-all-costs mentality. If you took less interest in football, the media might too. And with any luck, football's imperialism - an imperialism which dictates that gossip about a rich player going from one rich club to another is the most important story in the sporting world - might start to crumble.
Become smarter and less compliant. If Birmingham are charging £45 for an away ticket (as they did to Manchester United fans last season) just say no. If you think a Sky Sports subscription is too expensive, watch the games in the pub. If you're sick of the Premiership, try watching your local club again. If you believe fans should be allowed to stand again, joinhttp://www.safestanding.com/safe/index.php or organise a national standing day - let's see the stewards try to stop thousands of you.
More importantly still, widen your focus to beyond your club. It's not good for English football that we now have a three-teams-can-win-it Premiership. Or that TV money is more unequally distributed than ever. Or - as Lord Burns recently pointed out - that the Premiership clubs have undue influence with the Football Association. So get involved.
In short, it's not necessarily a given that football will become more soulless and uncompetitive with every passing year. But the game needs your help. After all, no one ever changed the world by sitting on their capacious backside, eating a pork pie and shouting beetroot-face abuse at Wayne Rooney, did they?
Tatty Boabie
QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 6 2006, 21:26) [snapback]1219574[/snapback]

Football fans are idiots!!

Not totally related to seating but I agree with most if not all of it.

http://s12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown...p?showtopic=238

''He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" - Groucho Marx.
Football fans are idiots. Or, to rephrase that sentence using less incendiary language: when it comes to football, intelligent people act stupid. And yes, that probably includes you.
After all, you remain hooked on a sport that has, over the past decade, become as competitive as a F1 warm-up lap - while at the same time taking ever-larger chunks out of your salary. Smart people would stand up to such exploitation. Football fans prefer to revel in their "hardcore" commitment.
Even if a match is shunted to some unholy hour to accommodate Sky, you think nothing of travelling hundreds of miles to sit in a stadium with all the atmosphere of a wake, to show loyalty to your club. The same club that's always thinking of ingenious new ways to bleed you dry.
When it comes to football, your rationality goes awol. You worship players who are at best indifferent to you, and at worst despise you. If a referee makes a dubious decision against your team, he's a wonker or a cheat. And if a journalist writes something you disagree with, he carries a vendetta.
Your idiocy doesn't end there. For you take more interest in pre-season friendlies - games which are, without exception, about as meaningful as Gazza's comedy breasts - than the growing inequality between football's haves and have-nots and what to do about it.
In short, you're an idiot.
A prediction...
Here's what will happen in the Premiership this season: Chelsea, or Arsenal or Manchester United, will win the title. Liverpool will come fourth. One of the 10 or 11 teams who graze in mid-table will surprise us, but the rest won't. And at least one newly-promoted side will go straight back down. Surprised? Appalled? Or just thinking: 'Yeah, and?'
If it's the latter, you perhaps reckon football has always been this predictable ("Didn't Liverpool win everything in the 80s?"), but the facts don't back that up.
Everyone remembers that Manchester United pick-pocketed the first Premiership title in 1992-93 - what seems amazing now is that Aston Villa finished second, Norwich third, Blackburn fourth and QPR fifth. And that's not a skewed example - between 1985-95, 13 different clubs finished in the top three, exactly the same number as in the previous decade (and the decade before that).
In the last 10 years, that figure was just six [Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Leeds]. And with Champions League money and Roman Abramovich's hard-earned roubles swishing around, the gap between the rich and the rest is widening by the season. It used to be that if you lost less than seven games you'd win the league - but since Boxing Day 2002, when Manchester United lost to Middlesbrough, the eventual Premiership winners have lost just one league game between them (Chelsea's 1-0 defeat at Manchester City) in 95 matches.
But here's the rub: despite being as predictable as a Jo Brand fat-gag, the Premiership is as popular as ever. Why? No really, why?
Another season, another price rise...
Oil prices and company directors' pay-rises apart, few things in life are consistently more inflation-busting than season ticket price-hikes. But each May, most fans' response is thuddingly predictable: a moan, a brief moment of contemplation, and then a question - do you take Visa or MasterCard?
Arsenal might just be able to justify charging £1,825, the most expensive season ticket in the Premiership, by citing market forces - but how can Millwall get away with asking £29 to watch their match with Sheffield Wednesday? Or Bristol Rovers with demanding £415 for a League Two season ticket? Because you let them.
As Stefan Szmanski and Tim Kuypers show in Winners & Losers, The Business Strategy of Football, demand for football in the UK - like cigarettes and booze - is price inelastic. That is, when prices go up, demand dips only slightly. Cue smiles in boardrooms across the land.
They wouldn't stand for it on the continent. A cheap ticket for Borussia Dortmund costs under £10, Roma just £15, and a Real Madrid season ticket is a bargain £200. Fans stand up for themselves more in mainland Europe; in England they just roll over.
Oh what an atmosphere
So what do you get for your over-priced match ticket? Football that's sharper and sexier than a decade ago? Yes, if you support the big four. But elsewhere the standard has dipped, simply because of the top clubs' spending power. Ten years ago, for instance, Manchester City would have built their team around Shaun-Wright Phillips. Now he's merely a Chelsea reserve.
The atmosphere's become rubbish too. Go to a match 15 or more years ago, and by 2.30pm the terraces would reverberate with a Spector-esque wall of sound. Even if the game was dire, the chants and terrace witticisms would turn it into a spectacle of sorts - albeit one where hooliganism was rife.
These days at home matches, what usually happens? You get to the ground at 2.50pm, just in time to hear a local radio DJ induce a faux-atmosphere by shouting: "Are you ready? I said: Are you ready? Let's make some noise!" Like sheep, the crowd responds, sings one song, and then settles back into silence.
The truth is, you probably only leave your seat only when a goal is scored, five minutes before half-time (to go to the toilet and scoff down a congealed pie in four bites or less) and, 10 minutes before the end "to beat the traffic". And you pay £20, £30 or £40 for this? Every other week?
The loyalty card
Some fans will accept all the above, but defend themselves with the greatest idiocy of all. The loyalty argument. Simply put, you love your club, and believe that - on some level - there's a bond between you, the players and your team. You'd follow them everywhere, perhaps even fight for them. Sadly, it's not reciprocated.
"While the pros are polite to supporters, they think them fools," wrote Rick Gekoski in his excellent book on Coventry's 1997-98 season, A Fan Behind The Scenes In The Premiership. "I was reminded of a conversation I'd had with John Salako. 'Fans,' he said, 'most of them are sad. They think the game is more important than it is, it says something about the miserable kind of lives they must lead. They get things out of proportion.'
"Another player, who did not wish to be named, said: 'Fans? Come on. Players hate fans.'"
I know one agent who tells his players, who mostly play in the lower leagues, to kiss the badge when they first score for their new club. "Most fans buy it every single time," he chuckles. And that's not all you buy. There's the season ticket, the third alternative away strip, the premium rate text service to keep you abreast of your reserve striker's groin injury, etc and so on. When are you going to realise that when your favourite club isn't counting your cash, it's laughing at you?
Absence of reason and imagination
Football, as 'creative' advertising types never tire of telling us, is like a religion. They mean it in a positive sense - ignoring the fact that religion is antithetical to reason and rationality.
Examples abound. Whenever a star player leaves for a big club and more money, fans swarm onto Sky Sports News or the local radio, each spitting "betrayal" with Paisleyesque venom. The fact that they'd switch employers for a 200% pay rise without a millisecond's thought seems lost on them.
Meanwhile journalists who dare criticise a winning team - as acquaintances of mine did by suggesting Greece's Euro 2004 win was bad for football and that Liverpool were dull to watch in the Champions League last season - receive a steady thud-thud of abusive emails and are accused on message boards of having a 'vendetta' or a 'hidden agenda'. The truth is usually more prosaic: the hack's verdict is just one opinion in a game awash with them. Nothing more.
Sadly, intelligent, measured comment from fans - always a sickly child - is now on its deathbed. It says it all when Radio Five Live's 606, once the cr? de la cr? of football talk shows, is now a starchy mix of the vain, inane and the ignorant. And what DJ Spoony, the show's regular host, knows about football could be written on the label of a 12-inch vinyl.
A few good men (and women)
That's not to say intelligent, hard-working and crusading football fans don't exist. Just look at Lincoln, where supporters were involved in part of a community buy-out in 2001 - attendances are up and so are profits. Ditto trust-owned Chesterfield, which has gone from £2m in debt to break even, with the highest gates in 24 seasons. And then there's Luton, who having escaped the clutches of John Gurney largely due to fans' pressure and a skilful media campaign, now stand atop the Championship.
The trouble is, there are just seven clubs in the country owned by supporters' trusts - while only 23 trusts have elected directors on the board. Mutual trusts need to become the norm, not the exception, and that needs fans to get stuck in.
Another problem is that supporters remain stunningly insular. When it's your club being dragged over the coals, you fight tooth and nail. When it's the club up the road, you merely shrug your shoulders. Most fans were rightly appalled by how the FA allowed Wimbledon move to Milton Keynes - but how many protested?
What is to be done?
Football, for all its faults, is still the best sport in the world. But it has become an increasingly ugly mix of Thatcherite greed and Gradgrindian inequality. It needs to be taken down a peg - and supporters are the best ones to do it.
So, here's a plan of sorts. Start by refusing to become a slave to football's pointless merry-go-round every summer. Take the transfer gossip pages with a pinch of salt (trust me, most of it really is made up) and certainly don't bother frittering your money on pointless pre-season friendlies or the Intertoto Cup (you never know, Uefa might eventually get the message).
Instead, get out more. Enjoy the sporting summer: Wimbledon, the Open, the flat season, rugby league, cricket, whatever - all sports where Corinthian values haven't yet been splayed by a pernicious win-at-all-costs mentality. If you took less interest in football, the media might too. And with any luck, football's imperialism - an imperialism which dictates that gossip about a rich player going from one rich club to another is the most important story in the sporting world - might start to crumble.
Become smarter and less compliant. If Birmingham are charging £45 for an away ticket (as they did to Manchester United fans last season) just say no. If you think a Sky Sports subscription is too expensive, watch the games in the pub. If you're sick of the Premiership, try watching your local club again. If you believe fans should be allowed to stand again, joinhttp://www.safestanding.com/safe/index.php or organise a national standing day - let's see the stewards try to stop thousands of you.
More importantly still, widen your focus to beyond your club. It's not good for English football that we now have a three-teams-can-win-it Premiership. Or that TV money is more unequally distributed than ever. Or - as Lord Burns recently pointed out - that the Premiership clubs have undue influence with the Football Association. So get involved.
In short, it's not necessarily a given that football will become more soulless and uncompetitive with every passing year. But the game needs your help. After all, no one ever changed the world by sitting on their capacious backside, eating a pork pie and shouting beetroot-face abuse at Wayne Rooney, did they?


That is some post.

The longest I have seen, and a good read with some interesting points
Duracell Bunny
QUOTE(bubbaTON @ Oct 6 2006, 20:42) [snapback]1219542[/snapback]

all this family orientated shite and PC twats who followfootball thse days (many on this board)

and seats etc have ruined football. Terracing doesn't have to be dangerous,terracing was at the world cup but the numbers were regulated and it was fine


The world cup just past? blink.gif
bubbaTON
QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 6 2006, 22:07) [snapback]1219607[/snapback]

The world cup just past? blink.gif


yes the world cup juts past
Stelios
QUOTE(bubbaTON @ Oct 6 2006, 23:04) [snapback]1219664[/snapback]

yes the world cup juts past


It had certainly finished by the time I read Steven's post!
Big_Andy
I hear Steven's post will be serialised in the Daily Telegraph for the next 24 weeks! wink.gif
Forest_Fifer
QUOTE(bubbaTON @ Oct 6 2006, 20:42) [snapback]1219542[/snapback]

all this family orientated shite and PC twats who followfootball thse days (many on this board)

and seats etc have ruined football. Terracing doesn't have to be dangerous,terracing was at the world cup but the numbers were regulated and it was fine


I've shot down this before, and I'll do it again.

There was no terracing at the World Cup.

Some of the German stadiums do have terraces, but they are convertible to seating for Champions League games/internationals.
Sanny's army
I love terracing. Pretty much every football fan prefers it too. I genuinely despised sitting in all seater stadia (bar Brechin) last season in the 1st, it was such a soulless experience.

SPL2 will destroy community football in this country even more by their idioitic insistence on 3000 seats.
vince sinclair
Most of Hampden stood yesterday and the atmosphere was 1st class.
1910aufc
More bad news for terracing fans.Have heard Ayr Utd are holding a press conference tomorrow to announce the plans for a new stadium.Came from a good source or I wouldnt have bothered mentioning it on here.
Mortonbug
QUOTE(Raithsaltire @ Oct 6 2006, 16:52) [snapback]1219423[/snapback]

Next worse is at Starks Park, MY ground. There even used to be an aptmosphere on the terracing on a Friday night when there wasn't anybody there! Terrace = aptmosphere.
Since they put up the crappy seated stands, the aptmosphere died(although Fifes Finest are trying to get it back).

To sum up, bring back the terrace!


Have to agree, am headed to Starks on Saturday and am not looking forward to the atmosphere of a empty SPL ready ground. We'll take a decent support though..............
Monster
QUOTE(1910aufc @ Oct 8 2006, 18:53) [snapback]1221074[/snapback]

More bad news for terracing fans.Have heard Ayr Utd are holding a press conference tomorrow to announce the plans for a new stadium.Came from a good source or I wouldnt have bothered mentioning it on here.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

A press conference is imminent to announce an announcement is imminent to plan to possibly build a new stadium by 2008, 20102012 doomsday.

Quality biggrin.gif
SteamingparBoz
Totally agree regarding terracing, it has destroyed football up here.

I'm only 20 but I remember the terracing at East End and it was magical. I'm a generation out and missed the cage banter though. I've heard so many stories about the cage at EEP and to think I would have been part of it now, had it still been there.
Duracell Bunny
QUOTE(SteamingparBoz @ Oct 9 2006, 11:27) [snapback]1221438[/snapback]

Totally agree regarding terracing, it has destroyed football up here.

I'm only 20 but I remember the terracing at East End and it was magical. I'm a generation out and missed the cage banter though. I've heard so many stories about the cage at EEP and to think I would have been part of it now, had it still been there.


Raith V Dunfermline games in the cage was great.

Still remember my first time in 92/93 when we won 1-0 despite being down to ten men (Ronnie Coyle sent off)

Cracking atmosphere and it's now sadly been lost mad.gif
SteamingparBoz
QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 9 2006, 11:35) [snapback]1221444[/snapback]

Raith V Dunfermline games in the cage was great.

Still remember my first time in 92/93 when we won 1-0 despite being down to ten men (Ronnie Coyle sent off)

Cracking atmosphere and it's now sadly been lost mad.gif



Wish we could bring back those days. Raith need to get their erse in gear and move up the divisions! Mind you, the way we are going we'll be joining you soon enough sad.gif


D.Armour Appreciation Society
QUOTE(1910aufc @ Oct 8 2006, 17:53) [snapback]1221074[/snapback]

More bad news for terracing fans.Have heard Ayr Utd are holding a press conference tomorrow to announce the plans for a new stadium.Came from a good source or I wouldnt have bothered mentioning it on here.


But not a good enough source to mention it on the HP obviously.
Double Jack D
QUOTE(Steven @ Oct 9 2006, 11:35) [snapback]1221444[/snapback]

Raith V Dunfermline games in the cage was great.

Still remember my first time in 92/93 when we won 1-0 despite being down to ten men (Ronnie Coyle sent off)

Cracking atmosphere and it's now sadly been lost mad.gif


I loved the cage at east end! I loved the cage at Brockville. It really is a shame that the next generation of Rovers fans are never going to experience "banter" like that.

Great Stuff!
Duracell Bunny
QUOTE(SteamingparBoz @ Oct 9 2006, 12:18) [snapback]1221470[/snapback]

Wish we could bring back those days. Raith need to get their erse in gear and move up the divisions! Mind you, the way we are going we'll be joining you soon enough sad.gif


Meet you lot in the first division next season wink.gif

Open the railway stands and let fans outsing each other smile.gif
GoRdY_b
QUOTE(Double Jack D @ Oct 9 2006, 12:23) [snapback]1221475[/snapback]

I loved the cage at east end! I loved the cage at Brockville. It really is a shame that the next generation of Rovers fans are never going to experience "banter" like that.

Great Stuff!


I used to love Brockville for the "cage banter". I remember one time the Ayr fans were getting pelters from a group of Falkirk fans, most notably a big blonde guy with radar lugs.

Cue the reply from the Ayr fans: "Andy Smith, w@nk w@nk w@nk" "I'll bet your wife takes in up the nose and coughs for contraception" "I saw you at Prestwick airport Andy" "You're a pr!ck with ears Andy" "head like the Scottish cup" etc etc

Priceless banter - sadly not nowadays in the "heads down thumbs up" era though.

davidkennedyshand
QUOTE(Monster @ Oct 9 2006, 09:31) [snapback]1221369[/snapback]

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

A press conference is imminent to announce an announcement is imminent to plan to possibly build a new stadium by 2008, 20102012 doomsday.

Quality biggrin.gif


I must have got an early edition of the papers and missed the big announcement.

The one place i noticed has suffered more than most from being all seater is R*gby Park.

It used to be a great atmosphere when we used to play them and the away fans were under the shed at the side of the pitch...especially as there was atually no segregation at the back of it. laugh.gif

Broomfield,Brockville and East End Park were great for atmospheres as well.
stenny_bairn
i miss old brockville especially the atmosphere at the cage, even more so if there wsa going to be a big away support. grounds should be allowed to have a section for terracing but to be honest it'll never happen
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