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      How to use the board and its many features!

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    2. Pie and Bovril Official Announcements

      We will also use this forum to release announcements to all of our users.

      This will be related to feature releases, improvements, changes, planned forum maintenance work, events or to tell you that we've accepted a multi million pound bid for the site and have sold up and moved to the Bahamas.

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      If you are unsure of the new forum then this is the place to ask questions.

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      Note that content complaints should not be filed here, instead if you have a problem with a particular post use the new "Report" button which is shown on the post.

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  2. Scottish Professional Football League

    1. Scottish Premiership General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee, Hearts, Hibernian, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St.Johnstone & St.Mirren
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    2. Scottish Championship General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Airdrie, Arbroath, Ayr Utd, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline Athletic, Greenock Morton, Inverness CT, Partick Thistle, Queen's Park & Raith Rovers

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    3. Scottish League 1 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Alloa Athletic, Annan Athletic, Cove Rangers, Falkirk, Edinburgh City, Hamilton Accies, Kelty Hearts, Montrose, Queen of the South & Stirling Albion

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    4. Scottish League 2 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Elgin City, Forfar Athletic, Peterhead, Spartans, Stenhousemuir & Stranraer

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    5. A View From The Terrace

      A View From The Terrace

      The only show on television looking at every ounce of Scottish football. Join us as we discuss our weird and wonderful game, from the fan's perspective.Catch the show every Friday night on the BBC Scotland Channel and stream previous episodes now on BBC iPlayer.

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    6. Improving Scottish Football

      Improving Scottish Football

      The Podcast for fans who want more than the status-quo. Talking about league re-construction, the TV deal, playing style, youth development, fan experience, etc

      Produced by Kieran Hennigan.

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    7. Nutmeg

      Nutmeg Magazine

      Published every three months, Nutmeg is a high-class home for quality articles about Scottish football’s past, present and future. It offers opinion, reflection, interviews, insight, illustration, photography and poetry. It is a unique blend between 196 uniquely elegant pages.
      It's our game. In Print. On podcasts. At events.

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    8. Scottish Football - Fans' Views

      A place to have your views on the future of the game heard.
      Fans Views is here for you to discuss a range of issues affecting the game and aims to give all fans a voice.
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  3. Scottish Football Pyramid

    1. North Pyramid

      Combined discussion on Highland League, Midlands League, North Caledonian League and North Superleague. If post levels get to decent numbers we'll provide specific sub forums for each league.

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    2. Lowland League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the Lowland Football League here

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    3. East of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the East of Scotland Football League here

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    4. South of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the South of Scotland Football League here

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    5. West of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the West of Scotland Football League here

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    6. Junior Football

      An archive of the previous Junior Football forum.

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  4. The Cups

    1. Domestic Cup Football

      Scottish Cup, League Cup, Challenge Cup, Regional Cups, Junior Cups  - if its domestic silverware then this is the place to discuss !

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    2. Scots in Europe

      From the Europa League to the Champions League, discuss how the Scottish clubs are faring in European competition here.

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  5. International and Other Football and Other Sports

    1. Misc Other Fitba Chat

      The English Premiership, The Championship, Serie A, La Liga, The World Cup, Copa America, Auchterarder Under 13 Division B, if it's fitba and it's not covered above or below then it's in here.
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    2. Tartan Army Ramblings

      The national side is a constant source of abject misery but at some point it might end. Sir Steve Clarke is the latest man charged with leading us to the glory of a first round exit at a major tournament. Discuss all aspects of the Scotland team here.

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    3. Euro 2024

      Scotland are going to Germany in 2024 and it looks like half the country are planning a visit!

      Use this forum to discuss the built up to the tournament itself, and we've also split off a wee sub-forum for discussing travel arrangements for those thinking of making the trip.

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    4. Amateur Football

      There are 30-40 Saturday-playing amateur leagues in Scotland covering Highland, North of Scotland, North of Tay, Tayside, Fife, East of Scotland, South of Scotland, and West of Scotland regions. Discuss them all here !

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    5. Youth Football

      Our designated area for those involved, or playing within Scottish Youth football across every region and every age group.

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    6. Womens Football

      All the chat about the Women's game in here please.

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    7. All Other Sports

      The P&B massive have a love of many other sports too so if you want to talk Golf, Egg Chasing, Tennis, Yank Football, Baseball, Cricket, Darts, Snooker or Synchronised swimming or anything else then here is the place to do it.

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    8. Infowire

      Jamie Wire has retired as our resident statto but never fear as craigkillie has stepped in to take over ! Feel free to post any question in this forum on the subject of Scottish football (line-ups, results, trivia etc) and either he or one of the many forum regulars will be only too happy to try and help!

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  6. General Nonsense and Misc Others

    1. The General Nonsense Forum

      This is the General Nonsense forum for use by all P&B visitors to discuss anything and everything. Note that any music, tv, film, gaming or technology related threads should be placed in the respective forums (see below this one) for those topics.

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    2. The Politics Forum

      Formerly the independence forum, now just for general political chit chat.

      All Indy Ref topics have been preserved.

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    3. The Music Forum

      General nonsense has always had a rich musical history so we have now allowed Music to have it's very own dedicated section of the board. All music related threads here please !

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    4. The Travel Forum

      Getting good travel advice is invaluable when you are thinking of heading somewhere new. P&B has a very well well travelled membership so this section is for you to pick their brains about where you are off to.

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    5. TV and Film Forum

      A forum for debating everything related to small and big screen entertainment. From the latest Hollywood blockbuster to what's happening in Corrie, this is the place to discuss it.

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    6. The Gaming Forum

      Split from the e-chat forum by popular request, this is the forum to discuss any kind of gaming. Consoles, PC games, handhelds, internet, mobile etc. If it's games it's here.

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    7. The E-Chat Technology Forum

      Sponsored by Big Front DoorThe e-chat forum for is for discussing technology and for getting some tech support on pretty much anything from the forum whizz kids. No gaming chat in here please, keep it in the gaming forum !

      Sponsored by www.bigfrontdoor.com web design.
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    8. The Gambling Forum

      Betting on the footy or on other major sporting events and got a great tip to share with fellow P&B'ers ? Our gambling forum is bursting with tips !
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    9. Pie and Bovril Gold

      It's long been requested by the masses and finally here it is. P&B Gold is where old classic threads will be moved to by the mods whenever they have served their time in the main forum.

      Users can contribute to threads that make their way in here, but can't start new topics here. Of course we want users to suggest threads that merit being moved here, and we will NEVER archive any of the threads that sit in Gold.

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    • Don't the SNP still hold 64 seats without the Greens? If so, they can't lose a VONC as even if the Greens vote against them, Lab, Con LD & Greens can only muster 64 votes, resulting in a tie, and the Presiding Officer votes in favour of the status quo in the event of a tie. Obviously, this assumes that the all SNP vote together, but I can't see any of them breaking ranks...
    • I agree that we're definitely favourites for 9th and fully expect that to happen, but I'm assuming these probabilities don't account for teams that have nothing to play for potentially taking their foot off the gas a bit and resting players?
    • Will have a couple of others to post later, but just wanted to get Civil War out there...  35. Civil War - Cinema God I loved this. So much of the cinematography resembles the photographs being taken by Lee and Jessie with a lot of still, though not necessarily stationary, shots that are perfectly framed to observe the USA that has gone to shit. Whether that's depicting innocuous that shouldn't be there or something horrific, it's a great way to give you an insight into this world as well as the characters and themes. It has the crisper look that Men did (Rob Hardy has shot all of Alex Garland's films) which still looks a bit funny to me, especially with greenery, however what I find interesting about Garland is that he's someone who went from a writer to also directing yet his last three films* have all had a distinctive aesthetic that have served the story. Annihilation recreates the otherworldliness of the shimmer, Men resembles a fairytale and now Civil War has that photojournalist look. *I don't remember it being quite as noticeable in Ex Machina but it's been a while since I've seen that. I think there's been a lot of chat about how Civil War is "apolitical", and yeah that's true to a certain extent as the "sides" are left relatively vague, but I absolutely don't think it's a film devoid of any commentary, particularly on apathy, action and ignorance. That first came to my mind when a gun-toting screwball takes Jessie to see a couple of looters he's got tied up. Jessie is given a choice to get the screwball to let them go or to shoot them, however, weirdly, the scene doesn't really come to anything. That made me realise that Jessie's inaction and us as viewers not seeing the consequences meant that we could remain ignorant to the outcome, but the looters will almost certainly die (which is later referenced by one of the other reporters, Joel) so they're almost like Schrodinger's Prisoners. Shortly after, the four of them travel through a picture-perfect suburb seemingly unaffected by the civil war. When they ask a shopkeeper if she realises that the country's gone to shit, it's not really any surprise when she says that it's easier to just not get involved. She's fine, her business is fine, where she lives is fine - why should she get involved? There are a few instances where questions are posed and we don't get the answers, similar to how Lee says that she views her job as a war photographer: document and let others ask questions. That reflects Lee and Jessie and their struggles with grasping the role of a photojournalist. Lee says that she thought her previous work in other countries would have served as a warning to those back home, so she watches missiles fly overhead with dismay rather than horror. Why should she subject herself to all of this pain? Why does she? Her warnings weren't heeded. "The information-action ratio" as said by some mark named Neil Postman and quoted by Alex Turner. Jessie is the other side of the coin. She's younger, more enthusiastic and feels "alive" when she's on the frontline, but you get a sense of her terror too. I thought of her as the vehicle for the audience, which makes the path she goes down all the more compelling. I was initially worried about the mentor-protégé relationship between them being a bit trite, but it's key to the whole film and goes in interesting directions. Morality in war - does it exist? Do we believe it exists? What about morality in war correspondence? Or war films? It's got these ideas within an exciting and tense mid-budget film. I thought it flew past. It's a road movie, kind of a hangout movie, but in the same vein as a lot of other post-apocalyptic films (which this essentially is - especially zombie flicks) where moving from moment to moment with a group of characters ratchets up the tension with every interaction. There's a constant sense of dread which comes to a head in the final act. The sound is unbelievable. I don't think that it uses music in its big set-pieces, instead opting for natural sound effects or silence which makes it all the tenser. The sound of bullets cut through the silence similar to how a horror would use a jump scare to startle you, but where they often feel cheap in that genre this feels completely earned and in-keeping with the film's paranoia. The final big scene then bombards you with all of the sound of gunfire that was previously isolated, but it manages to remain focused on Lee and Jessie among the chaos. I shouldn't really be surprised that I liked it so much given how much I loved Annihilation and Ex Machina, but Men, while I thought there was plenty of good in that film, did show worrying signs of a filmmaker beginning to sniff his own farts. Civil War is a true return to form for Alex Garland.
    • I haven’t seen anyone on here defend him. There’s not even been much whataboutery. 
    • Somebody asked about them on the Facebook post about the bucket hats and the reply was soon.  Just checked and it was the 8th March I ordered the first one, didn't realise it was as long ago as that.
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