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      This will be related to feature releases, improvements, changes, planned forum maintenance work, events or to tell you that we've accepted a multi million pound bid for the site and have sold up and moved to the Bahamas.

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      If you are unsure of the new forum then this is the place to ask questions.

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      Note that content complaints should not be filed here, instead if you have a problem with a particular post use the new "Report" button which is shown on the post.

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  2. Scottish Professional Football League

    1. Scottish Premiership General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee, Hearts, Hibernian, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St.Johnstone & St.Mirren
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    2. Scottish Championship General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Airdrie, Arbroath, Ayr Utd, Dundee Utd, Dunfermline Athletic, Greenock Morton, Inverness CT, Partick Thistle, Queen's Park & Raith Rovers

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    3. Scottish League 1 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Alloa Athletic, Annan Athletic, Cove Rangers, Falkirk, Edinburgh City, Hamilton Accies, Kelty Hearts, Montrose, Queen of the South & Stirling Albion

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    4. Scottish League 2 General Chatter

      Discussion for or about Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Clyde, Dumbarton, East Fife, Elgin City, Forfar Athletic, Peterhead, Spartans, Stenhousemuir & Stranraer

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    5. A View From The Terrace

      A View From The Terrace

      The only show on television looking at every ounce of Scottish football. Join us as we discuss our weird and wonderful game, from the fan's perspective.Catch the show every Friday night on the BBC Scotland Channel and stream previous episodes now on BBC iPlayer.

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    6. Improving Scottish Football

      Improving Scottish Football

      The Podcast for fans who want more than the status-quo. Talking about league re-construction, the TV deal, playing style, youth development, fan experience, etc

      Produced by Kieran Hennigan.

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    7. Nutmeg

      Nutmeg Magazine

      Published every three months, Nutmeg is a high-class home for quality articles about Scottish football’s past, present and future. It offers opinion, reflection, interviews, insight, illustration, photography and poetry. It is a unique blend between 196 uniquely elegant pages.
      It's our game. In Print. On podcasts. At events.

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    8. Scottish Football - Fans' Views

      A place to have your views on the future of the game heard.
      Fans Views is here for you to discuss a range of issues affecting the game and aims to give all fans a voice.
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  3. Scottish Football Pyramid

    1. North Pyramid

      Combined discussion on Highland League, Midlands League, North Caledonian League and North Superleague. If post levels get to decent numbers we'll provide specific sub forums for each league.

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    2. Lowland League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the Lowland Football League here

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    3. East of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the East of Scotland Football League here

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    4. South of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the South of Scotland Football League here

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    5. West of Scotland Football League

      Discuss all the latest happenings in the West of Scotland Football League here

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    6. Junior Football

      An archive of the previous Junior Football forum.

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  4. The Cups

    1. Domestic Cup Football

      Scottish Cup, League Cup, Challenge Cup, Regional Cups, Junior Cups  - if its domestic silverware then this is the place to discuss !

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    2. Scots in Europe

      From the Europa League to the Champions League, discuss how the Scottish clubs are faring in European competition here.

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  5. International and Other Football and Other Sports

    1. Misc Other Fitba Chat

      The English Premiership, The Championship, Serie A, La Liga, The World Cup, Copa America, Auchterarder Under 13 Division B, if it's fitba and it's not covered above or below then it's in here.
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    2. Tartan Army Ramblings

      The national side is a constant source of abject misery but at some point it might end. Sir Steve Clarke is the latest man charged with leading us to the glory of a first round exit at a major tournament. Discuss all aspects of the Scotland team here.

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    3. Euro 2024

      Scotland are going to Germany in 2024 and it looks like half the country are planning a visit!

      Use this forum to discuss the built up to the tournament itself, and we've also split off a wee sub-forum for discussing travel arrangements for those thinking of making the trip.

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    4. Amateur Football

      There are 30-40 Saturday-playing amateur leagues in Scotland covering Highland, North of Scotland, North of Tay, Tayside, Fife, East of Scotland, South of Scotland, and West of Scotland regions. Discuss them all here !

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    5. Youth Football

      Our designated area for those involved, or playing within Scottish Youth football across every region and every age group.

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    6. Womens Football

      All the chat about the Women's game in here please.

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    7. All Other Sports

      The P&B massive have a love of many other sports too so if you want to talk Golf, Egg Chasing, Tennis, Yank Football, Baseball, Cricket, Darts, Snooker or Synchronised swimming or anything else then here is the place to do it.

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    8. Infowire

      Jamie Wire has retired as our resident statto but never fear as craigkillie has stepped in to take over ! Feel free to post any question in this forum on the subject of Scottish football (line-ups, results, trivia etc) and either he or one of the many forum regulars will be only too happy to try and help!

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  6. General Nonsense and Misc Others

    1. The General Nonsense Forum

      This is the General Nonsense forum for use by all P&B visitors to discuss anything and everything. Note that any music, tv, film, gaming or technology related threads should be placed in the respective forums (see below this one) for those topics.

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    2. The Politics Forum

      Formerly the independence forum, now just for general political chit chat.

      All Indy Ref topics have been preserved.

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    3. The Music Forum

      General nonsense has always had a rich musical history so we have now allowed Music to have it's very own dedicated section of the board. All music related threads here please !

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    4. The Travel Forum

      Getting good travel advice is invaluable when you are thinking of heading somewhere new. P&B has a very well well travelled membership so this section is for you to pick their brains about where you are off to.

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    5. TV and Film Forum

      A forum for debating everything related to small and big screen entertainment. From the latest Hollywood blockbuster to what's happening in Corrie, this is the place to discuss it.

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    6. The Gaming Forum

      Split from the e-chat forum by popular request, this is the forum to discuss any kind of gaming. Consoles, PC games, handhelds, internet, mobile etc. If it's games it's here.

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    7. The E-Chat Technology Forum

      Sponsored by Big Front DoorThe e-chat forum for is for discussing technology and for getting some tech support on pretty much anything from the forum whizz kids. No gaming chat in here please, keep it in the gaming forum !

      Sponsored by www.bigfrontdoor.com web design.
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    8. The Gambling Forum

      Betting on the footy or on other major sporting events and got a great tip to share with fellow P&B'ers ? Our gambling forum is bursting with tips !
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    9. Pie and Bovril Gold

      It's long been requested by the masses and finally here it is. P&B Gold is where old classic threads will be moved to by the mods whenever they have served their time in the main forum.

      Users can contribute to threads that make their way in here, but can't start new topics here. Of course we want users to suggest threads that merit being moved here, and we will NEVER archive any of the threads that sit in Gold.

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    • Queen of the South infamously clinched the 2nd Division title in 2012/13 after the snow had been cleared off Forfar's pitch! It was actually on Wednesday 27th March 2013 so was a fairly unseasonal snowfall but it only went that far in the first place because Brechin, who were 3rd but had loads of games in hand, had been unable to get games played at Glebe Park for so long. Eventually the league lost patience and ordered them to play some at Station Park, including ours. We still had 7 games left to play at the time (19.4%). I think we'd have at least matched the record of 22.2% left by winning it a game earlier if Brechin didn't have so many unplayed games, or if the game that was played then had been played on its due date.
    • A lot of valid points here. If I remember correctly, Max signed pro with us in the summer of 2020, making his debut in February 2021. I'm not sure if he signed a three-year deal with us then, or signed extensions along the way, but you would think that we had learned our lesson from Jake Hastie and David Turnbull, who both made their breakthroughs to the first team with less than a year left on their deals. If you are sending someone out on loan for our benefit, surely you make sure they're signed up longer than their loan term before doing so. Going from Cove Rangers to Sturm Graz in 6 months without a transfer fee, is a definite bad look for the club. Would he have signed a three-year deal put in front of him before going out on loan? Quite possibly. I would say that Alexander probably takes a good portion of the blame too. He was trying his best to force SOD out the club by running with McGinn as first choice and Johnston as second, but obviously didn't get to hang around to see that through. Although you do also wonder if Johnston would be at Sturm Graz now if he had come into Alexander's system and not been allowed out of his own half. I imagine Hammell was trying to create room in the squad for his own additions and only sent Johnston out on loan because he had a surplus in that position and he would have been the easiest to loan out. The comparison with Robinson / Kettlewell and Hastie & Turnbull / Miller is interesting. For Hastie, I think Elliott Frear getting injured in the Ross County cup game is a sliding doors moment for his bank account. For Turnbull, there's probably a convincing argument both ways. If he comes into the first team and scores 15 in his first season, you could argue he's been exposed to the first team at the right time. On the other hand, some might argue that if he's come into the first team and scored 15 goals he should have been in it sooner. That said, him being a regular the season before, fighting with Rose and McHugh for second balls probably wouldn't have been a worthwhile introduction.  As you say, the demographic has massively changed, we don't get the luxury these days of a player of Turnbull's ilk becoming a regular at 19. Players getting snapped up before then plays a part, but I still think to an extent, the lack of anyone 18 - 21 on our fringes is still playing catchup from COVID. Lennon Miller has already played an abnormal amount of football for a player of his age. A number of factors come into that - the new demographic of the youth team, the fact he is a sellable asset and also the fact that he just looks ready - he's got a build and maturity beyond his years. I think if we weren't against the clock to get a transfer fee for him, we might use him slightly more sparingly for the sake of his development, but the club needs to look after itself.  To compare the two, my gut instinct would be that Robinson would have used Miller at 16 / 17 in the environment he had to work with, a lot more sparingly. However, I would also say that Kettlewell, in the environment he is working with, would have used Turnbull at 16 / 17 a lot more sparingly, if at all yet. I think Miller's physical readiness plays a massive part in how prominent he has been. 
    • Would be happy with him as a back up for LB/CB. Think if we’re going to compete for the title again then the first choice left/right backs need to be much better than Dick/Millen/Brown.
    • At a time of insanely tight budgets and huge cuts, for Scottish or local government to spend money on facilities for a few hundred folk to watch a game of football every two weeks would be batshit mental. They can't fund schools, community centres, ice rinks and swimming pools never mind our particular hobby. What we do isn't sport, it's spectating. There has been grant money available for community facilities - putting in astro and lights and making it available all week, like Bo'ness did. You need a genuine community benefit and not just some terracing for the likes of us. https://www.falkirk.gov.uk/news/article.aspx?aid=7715#:~:text=This is the second Place,the whole Bo'ness community. 
    • Two strikes me as a pretty small difference, rather than being 'not similar at all'.  Shankland will replace Nisbet, but if he decides to replace, say, Turnbull and Fleck, with extra defenders, the difference is hardly seismic. 
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