BradHorse Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I'll almost unquestionably support a Scot in any scenario in terms of sport but that match fixing stuff really killed any support I had for Higgins. Respect his game a tonne but that was just crossing a line for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 How come the BBC never reads out the surely innumerable amount of tweets from people delirious that Ronnie's been put out on his arse? And I agree with Brad about Higgins. He's a cheat. f**k him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittsburgh phil Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I always fully bought the line that Higgins and his manager/agent (can't remember which) thought that their very lives were in imminent danger. Yesiree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Don't like Selby as he is boringly good and has won loads and don't like Higgins as he is boringly good and has won loads and agreed to throw frames for money.Would love to see Ding win. Someone from China is going to win eventually and I think it would be a shame if the man that inspired so many of them doesn't win it at least once.If not him, Maguire then Hawkins is my choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 There's a guy in a Morton top at this Hawkins/Maguire match 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 4 hours ago, BradHorse said: I'll almost unquestionably support a Scot in any scenario in terms of sport but that match fixing stuff really killed any support I had for Higgins. Respect his game a tonne but that was just crossing a line for me. John Higgins has never been formally accused, charged or found guilty of any match fixing. Nor has there ever been suspicious betting patterns around any of his games that could have seen his integrity called into question as is pretty much always seen around true offenders like Stephen Lee, Jamie Burnett etc. In fact the WPBSA investigation found that Higgins had given a truthful account of the meeting in Kiev since he suspected mafia involvement. He was banned for failing to report an approach from men he thought were gangsters - who were really just scumbag NotW plants looking to make a story - and giving the impression that he would break the rules. I would take Higgins word every time over that of crooked journalists who tried to ruin the guy's life. A true Scottish sporting legend. 2 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said: There's a guy in a Morton top at this Hawkins/Maguire match I clocked him as well, travels with the same supporter's club as me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Anyway, Higgins through, O'Sullivan oot on his ear. Pleasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I clocked him as well, travels with the same supporter's club as me. It's OK john, despite the shenanigans, I still want you to win. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 The WPBSA investigation had a vested interest in finding him not guilty, as he was World Champion and one of the game's biggest stars.I don't doubt that the newspaper in question is a rag. However, they are not forcing him to say the things he says.I watch the video and I can't see any explanation other than that he is agreeing to chuck four frames for €300,000.Even the first thing he says is "there's no cameras is there?", why would he ask that if he was behaving properly? Dunno how to add a YouTube video but link here... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Oh the app added the video for me [emoji4] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 And he said he agreed to whatever they said because he feared for his safety. I think that's reasonable considering where he was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Yes, that's what he says. Then he failed to report it to the snooker authorities upon his return. Or to the police. In fact he failed to mention it to anyone. It's pretty much impossible to imagine that anyone in such a fixable sport as snooker wouldn't be made aware of the rules regarding fixing and wouldn't have reported it straight away once they felt safe, if we are to believe the "feared for his safety" line. I feel that balance of probability suggests that he was quite willing to take the money and would have done so had it been a real offer and had he not been caught. Others may feel otherwise, but the video is fairly damning and I find his attempt to excuse it unconvincing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 People will believe what they want, and what you consider balance of probability isn't the truth. The video certainly looked bad but that's all we see. I give him the benefit of the doubt. No suspicious betting patterns ever linked to him so the only thing he was ever guilty of was what he said in the video. None of us know the circumstances of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 There were no suspicious betting activities attached to him because... it was a sting, they weren't really paying him to lose frames!I've yet to see any reason why he wouldn't report the meeting as soon as he felt safe, if his story was accurate. Fair point regarding my opinion not necessarily being the truth and will edit my previous post accordingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Anyway, even if he's not a crook... he and Selby have already won six between them and I'd rather they gave someone else a go. [emoji4] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHorse Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 You can try and spin it any way you want but the guy was clearly trying to take money for fixing frames of snooker. That's just scumbaggy... dunno why you're so keen to defend it or think his word is something valuable. Has he proved himself super truthful in the past or what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Ding leads Selby 5-3 after their opening session. Selby having to deal with something he hasn't had to face so far, namely sitting on his arse watching the other guy clearing up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyBear Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I always fully bought the line that Higgins and his manager/agent (can't remember which) thought that their very lives were in imminent danger. Yesiree. Higgins is corrupt. Pat Mooney took the flack but Pat would confirm that Higgins knew exactly what he was doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Score update? I'm watching the football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmy_cammy Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Higgins 3-0 up and leading the fourth frame 69-32 but with Hawkins at the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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