Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Checked it and...Scotland puts in £27 billion and recieves £40 billion. Furthermore, due to differences within public systems which are not available in England and Wales, any Scot can expect to recieve around £19,000 spent upon their well-being and living, higher than what those down south recieve. How do they work that out, on Gordon Browns calculator? Why don't they want rid of us then if we cost them so much and why does most parts of Scotland top the UK poverty league in your unionist utopia? CLICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Name one other country that does? Generally the world is becoming more globalised. I can't think of an area of any western state where independence would be benificial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Migration of jobs will happen regardless of whether or not the Union is in place. It's not that relevent in that respect. Indeed. I wasn't saying that. Migration of jobs is relevant in the fact that without the jobs Scotland will struggle. We are stronger due to the other 50 million people living down south who are paying for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oddjob Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Countries with a significant population which is ripe for the labor market such as China and India. Why pay workers in Scotland to do a job which can be done in a country where you can get cheaper labor? Due to the globalisation the location doesn't matter due to the profit made. I think Scotland has more to offer, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Generally the world is becoming more globalised. I can't think of an area of any western state where independence would be benificial. I suspect England might be one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Why don't they want rid of us then if we cost them so much and why does most parts of Scotland top the UK poverty league in your unionist utopia?CLICK Because most people don't see England and Scotland as 'them and us'. Most people class themselves as at least partly British, i.e. we are all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Indeed. I wasn't saying that. Migration of jobs is relevant in the fact that without the jobs Scotland will struggle. We are stronger due to the other 50 million people living down south who are paying for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I think Scotland has more to offer, don't you? Such as? And even if it can, why can't it do so from within the Union? Because most people don't see England and Scotland as 'them and us'. Most people class themselves as at least partly British, i.e. we are all the same. Couldn't have put it better myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Such as? And even if it can, why can't it do so from within the Union? Because it's oor oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Because it's oor oil. Why yes you are right Michael. It is indeed our British Oil! Can I tempt you with an Empire Cigar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Because it's oor oil. Naw its the shortbread sales. There really is some self-loathing jockos on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Why yes you are right Michael. It is indeed our British Oil!Can I tempt you with an Empire Cigar Oh go on... Tea and scones all round too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 How do they work that out, on Gordon Browns calculator? Why don't they want rid of us then if we cost them so much and why does most parts of Scotland top the UK poverty league in your unionist utopia?CLICK We seem to think all our problems will be solved due to the oil and going alone. Do you think going it alone will make the poverty disappear? I can only assume that the poverty in Scotland is due to a lack of industry. Scotland is not unique in poverty within the UK. Go around some cities in England and you might see that the people there don't walk along on gold streets, they have the same issues as us. So what happens when your oil runs out and the industry isn't there? Uh-oh...we'd be fucked like we were when James decided that he liked the nice throne down south when we were in the same position when the Union began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oddjob Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Generally the world is becoming more globalised. I can't think of an area of any western state where independence would be benificial. If you start a sentence beginning with 'generally' you're f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I think Scotland has more to offer, don't you? Nah not really... Haud on...the oil will solve our problems. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Naw its the shortbread sales.There really is some self-loathing jockos on this thread. Not at all. I'm proud to be Scottish. Every bit as I am proud to be British. What I don't comprehend, is why I have to be in favour of Independence simply because I was born and grow up in Scotland, and that, by the same token, if I am against Independence, I am automatically anti-Scottish or ashamed of Scottish heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oddjob Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Such as? And even if it can, why can't it do so from within the Union? A union loses imagination and eventually dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RTB Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 We seem to think all our problems will be solved due to the oil and going alone. Do you think going it alone will make the poverty disappear? I can only assume that the poverty in Scotland is due to a lack of industry. Scotland is not unique in poverty within the UK. Go around some cities in England and you might see that the people there don't walk along on gold streets, they have the same issues as us. So what happens when your oil runs out and the industry isn't there? Uh-oh...we'd be fucked like we were when James decided that he liked the nice throne down south when we were in the same position when the Union began. Aye, the lack of industry within your great UK utopia. Thatcher/Blair/Brown - Tory/Nu Labor The Union of the Crowns happened some time before the Act of Union was forced undemocratically upon the citizens of Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLF Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Migration of jobs will happen regardless of whether or not the Union is in place. It's not that relevent in that respect. I dont know, I think you might see a significant movement - bear in mind the 'new republic of scotland' would not immediately be in the EU or the EEC and I would guess be effectively removed from any trade agreements set up whilst part of the UK - I'm not implying these things wouldnt get set up but they would take time and some major companies would probably relocate down south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 A union loses imagination and eventually dies. Care to elaborate on this frankly meaningless and drivelling statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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