archieb Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 WR Premiership 2018-19: Beith (Super Premier Division Champions) Auchinleck Talbot (Super Prem) Pollok (Super Prem) Kilwinning Rangers (Super Prem) Kilbirnie Ladeside (Super Prem) Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (Super Prem) Glenafton Athletic (Super Prem) Hurlford United (Super Prem) Cumnock (Super Prem) Clydebank (Super Prem) Petershill (WR Div 1 Champions) Cambuslang Rangers (WR Div 1) Renfrew (WR Div 1) Largs Thistle (WR Div 1) Troon (play-off winners from WR Div1) Irvine Meadow (play-off winners from WR Div1) WR Championship 2018-19: Girvan (play-off losers from Super Prem) Arthurlie (play-off losers from Super Prem) Rutherglen Glencairn (WR Div1) Cumbernauld United (WR Div1) Darvel (WR Div1) Kilsyth (WR Div1) Larkhall Thistle (WR Div1) Kello Rovers (WR Div1) Dalry Thistle (Ayrshire League as Champions) Irvine Victoria (Ayrshire League) Craigmark Burntonians (Ayrshire League) Rossvale (Central League Div 1 Champions) St Roch's (Central League Div 1) Benburb (Central League Div 1) Whitletts Victoria (play-off winners from Ayrshire League) Neilston (play-off winners from Central League Div 1) WR League 1 2018-19: Maryhill (play-off losers from WR Div1) Shettleston (play-off losers from WR Div1) Blantyre Victoria (Central League Div 1) Wishaw (Central League Div 1) Glasgow Perthshire (Central League Div 1) Port Glasgow (Central League Div 1) Shotts Bon Accord (Central League Div 1) Yoker Athletic (Central League Div 1) East Kilbride Thistle (Central League Div 1) Greenock (Central League Div 1) Lugar Boswell Thistle (Ayrshire League) Ardrossan Winton Rovers (Ayrshire League) Maybole (Ayrshire League) Royal Albert (Champions, Central League Div 2) Gartcairn (Central League Div 2) Bellshill Athletic (Central League Div 2) In WR League 2 2018-19: Forth Wanderers (Central League Div 1) Thorniewood United (Central League Div 1) Lesmahagow (Central League Div 1) Muirkirk (Ayrshire League) Saltcoats Victoria (Ayrshire League) Ardeer Thistle (Ayrshire League) Annbank United (Ayrshire League) St Anthony's (Central League Div 2) Ashfield (Central League Div 2) Lanark United (Central League Div 2) Vale of Clyde (Central League Div 2) Vale of Leven (Central League Div 2) Johnstone Burgh (Central League Div 2) Carluke Rovers (Central League Div 2) Newmains United (Central League Div 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesel1994 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 The split of Ayrshire to Central over the four Divisions : Premiership (Ayrshire - 10 clubs / Central - 6 clubs) Championship (7 / 9) League 1 (3 / 13) League 2 (4 / 11) A lot of travelling for the Ayrshire clubs in the bottom Divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 The split of Ayrshire to Central over the four Divisions : Premiership (Ayrshire - 10 clubs / Central - 6 clubs) Championship (7 / 9) League 1 (3 / 13) League 2 (4 / 11) A lot of travelling for the Ayrshire clubs in the bottom Divisions. My own view was that the 3rd tier should have been 2 regional divisions along new lines, e.g. NE and SW or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Give it a couple of seasons and top and bottom will be near enough regional leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-german exile Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 My own view was that the 3rd tier should have been 2 regional divisions along new lines, e.g. NE and SW or something similar. Totally agree. PS Hate the stupid names already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaside Sam Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, ex-german exile said: Totally agree. PS Hate the stupid names already! The names don’t bother me , I agree about the regional leagues though would have made much more sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 hours ago, peasy23 said: 6 hours ago, theesel1994 said: The split of Ayrshire to Central over the four Divisions : Premiership (Ayrshire - 10 clubs / Central - 6 clubs) Championship (7 / 9) League 1 (3 / 13) League 2 (4 / 11) A lot of travelling for the Ayrshire clubs in the bottom Divisions. My own view was that the 3rd tier should have been 2 regional divisions along new lines, e.g. NE and SW or something similar. Of course it should. It should have been obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, ex-german exile said: PS Hate the stupid names already! The names are stupid and lacking in imagination, just copying the SPFL who in turn copied the English leagues, without understanding the reason why the English leagues incorporated the names. Having the 2nd tier league called the "Championship" is just stupid, as the winners of the West Region Championship will not be the West Region Champions ! The English called their 2nd tier league the Championship because it was now the top league under the auspices of the EFL, after the breakaway which formed the Premiership (now called the Premier League). The trophy that used to be presented for the old English top flight Division One was now being used for the new EFL top flight (i.e. the 2nd tier), so it made some sense to call it the EFL Championship. (Not a lot of sense, but I understood why they did it.) That wasn't the case in Scotland when the leagues were renamed, everything was under the SPFL banner, but they just thought "let's try to be England" and copied the names without thinking to themselves how stupid it sounds. Having the 3rd tier called "League One" is even more bonkers, and the 4th tier called "League Two" is similarly nuts. None of the other major leagues around Europe do this. Spain has La Liga and Segunda, France has Ligue 1 and Ligue 2, Germany has Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, and Italy has Serie A and Serie B. But because England had a complicated way of doing it, we had to copy it in Scotland because apparently it's trendy. It's not, it's just plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen's Dad Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 Think your absolutely correct about regionalisation below the second league. 3 parallel leagues based on geography rather than the old Ayrshire/Central divide would have been my solution. I’m sure there’s somebody on here will come up with an illustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-german exile Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 The names are stupid and lacking in imagination, just copying the SPFL who in turn copied the English leagues, without understanding the reason why the English leagues incorporated the names. Having the 2nd tier league called the "Championship" is just stupid, as the winners of the West Region Championship will not be the West Region Champions ! The English called their 2nd tier league the Championship because it was now the top league under the auspices of the EFL, after the breakaway which formed the Premiership (now called the Premier League). The trophy that used to be presented for the old English top flight Division One was now being used for the new EFL top flight (i.e. the 2nd tier), so it made some sense to call it the EFL Championship. (Not a lot of sense, but I understood why they did it.) That wasn't the case in Scotland when the leagues were renamed, everything was under the SPFL banner, but they just thought "let's try to be England" and copied the names without thinking to themselves how stupid it sounds. Having the 3rd tier called "League One" is even more bonkers, and the 4th tier called "League Two" is similarly nuts. None of the other major leagues around Europe do this. Spain has La Liga and Segunda, France has Ligue 1 and Ligue 2, Germany has Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga, and Italy has Serie A and Serie B. But because England had a complicated way of doing it, we had to copy it in Scotland because apparently it's trendy. It's not, it's just plain stupid. Couldn't have put it better if I'd paid a ghost writer [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Helen's Dad said: Think your absolutely correct about regionalisation below the second league. 3 parallel leagues based on geography rather than the old Ayrshire/Central divide would have been my solution. I’m sure there’s somebody on here will come up with an illustration. Its what the clubs at that level voted for though, isn't it? Wasn't it the majority of "lesser" teams who wanted this whilst it was the "big guns" who didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen's Dad Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I understand the change from the point of view of the top say 25/30 teams in the west region. Can’t believe the lesser lights of the district leagues would be for it but don’t know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensmad Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 My understanding was that this change was voted through by a huge majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Helen's Dad said: Think your absolutely correct about regionalisation below the second league. 3 parallel leagues based on geography rather than the old Ayrshire/Central divide would have been my solution. I’m sure there’s somebody on here will come up with an illustration. If there'd been two League 1 regional divisions you could have had the following: WEST Maryhill (play-off losers from WR Div1) Glasgow Perthshire (Central League Div 1) Port Glasgow (Central League Div 1) Yoker Athletic (Central League Div 1) Greenock (Central League Div 1) Lugar Boswell Thistle (Ayrshire League) Ardrossan Winton Rovers (Ayrshire League) Maybole (Ayrshire League) Muirkirk (Ayrshire League) Saltcoats Victoria (Ayrshire League) Ardeer Thistle (Ayrshire League) Annbank United (Ayrshire League) St Anthony's (Central League Div 2) Ashfield (Central League Div 2) Vale of Leven (Central League Div 2) Johnstone Burgh (Central League Div 2) EAST Carluke Rovers (Central League Div 2) Newmains United (Central League Div 2) Blantyre Victoria (Central League Div 1) Wishaw (Central League Div 1) Lanark United (Central League Div 2) Lesmahagow (Central League Div 1) Forth Wanderers (Central League Div 1) Bellshill Athletic (Central League Div 2) Royal Albert (Champions, Central League Div 2) Gartcairn (Central League Div 2) Thorniewood United (Central League Div 1) Shotts Bon Accord (Central League Div 1) East Kilbride Thistle (Central League Div 1) Shettleston (play-off losers from WR Div1) Vale of Clyde (Central League Div 2) I defy anyone to say that wouldn't have been more sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 That wouldn't have been more sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Jason King said: That wouldn't have been more sensible. Well reasoned. I'm convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 That went so far over your upset little head as to be in orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, Jason King said: That went so far over your upset little head as to be in orbit. Sadly it didn't go over my head at all. Laugh? I though I'd never start. Don't judge others by your own lowly standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 I think after a season there will be murmurings for some kind of regionalisation of the bottom 2 leagues as the reality of increased travelling expenses hits home (particularly to the Ayrshire clubs) That was my fear from the start of the whole proposal. The idea of playing new clubs and seeing new places perhaps clouded the issue. In saying that I genuinely hope I'm wrong as there was a definite need to freshen the Leagues up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, Khufu2 said: Sadly it didn't go over my head at all. Laugh? I though I'd never start. Don't judge others by your own lowly standards. You still seem upset, you poor little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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