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During their term of imprisonment, convicts should not have the right to vote.  The jury/sheriff decided they were guilty of an offence and as such they lost their right to be part of a civilised society.  

Once they are released they should be able to register to vote.  

 

Unless they are paedos, they should hang.

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2 hours ago, Stinky Bone said:

During their term of imprisonment, convicts should not have the right to vote.  The jury/sheriff decided they were guilty of an offence and as such they lost their right to be part of a civilised society.  

Once they are released they should be able to register to vote.  

 

Unless they are paedos, they should hang.

No they didn't they lost their liberty.  That's punishment enough.  Voting is an entirely separate issue.

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Would certainly help the Yes vote get closer to the line if this were to happen 

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Brilliant idea, prisons are not fit for purpose because prisoners have no say in what they are like. As long as prisoners have their liberty restricted and are being rehabilitated then anything to help that should be endorsed by all - voting it key to a civilized democracy.

You can bet that no prisoner would vote of private incarceration where companies profit from people being locked up.

We would also need to look at those deemed mentally ill (especially psychosis), clearly, people who commit murder or rape are not of sound mind but are deemed responsible enough to be accountable for their actions. 

We don't kill prisoners so giving them the vote is the next logical step of moving out prison systems into the 21st Century.

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45 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

Would certainly help the Yes vote get closer to the line if this were to happen 

Do you have any evidence for this statement, or is it just your unsupported opinion?

Any quick google search will find that Alex Salmond refused to give prisoners the vote in the 2014 referendum, even though the UK's referendum legislation would have allowed him to extend the franchise to inmates. 

Why would he have not taken this advantage if it existed

(Incidentaly, I thought he was wrong at the time, and remain of the same opinion now)

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Brilliant idea, prisons are not fit for purpose because prisoners have no say in what they are like. As long as prisoners have their liberty restricted and are being rehabilitated then anything to help that should be endorsed by all - voting it key to a civilized democracy.
You can bet that no prisoner would vote of private incarceration where companies profit from people being locked up.
We would also need to look at those deemed mentally ill (especially psychosis), clearly, people who commit murder or rape are not of sound mind but are deemed responsible enough to be accountable for their actions. 
We don't kill prisoners so giving them the vote is the next logical step of moving out prison systems into the 21st Century.

You quite clearly have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

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It's gesture politics - prisoners number about 8,000 generally so it'll make f**k all difference to anything in reality. Imagine half of them wouldn't be arsed/would be too off their face to bother too.  

I suppose it shows your government is accountable if you allow the people you lock up to remove you from office so I'd have no issue with them bringing it in.

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On 5/13/2018 at 11:45, lichtgilphead said:

Do you have any evidence for this statement?

..or is it just your unsupported opinion?

That'll be a "No" and a "Yes" then, which will probably send him into an infinite loop.

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Of course prisoners should have the right to vote. Why shouldn't they?! Especially for those with shorter sentences as they'll be living in society once again after they're released

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13 hours ago, The OP said:

It's gesture politics - prisoners number about 8,000 generally so it'll make f**k all difference to anything in reality. Imagine half of them wouldn't be arsed/would be too off their face to bother too.  

I suppose it shows your government is accountable if you allow the people you lock up to remove you from office so I'd have no issue with them bringing it in.

Do they vote in their home constituency, where 8,000 spread over the country would be minimal, or on block where they are incarcerated?

A few hundred convicts in the constituencies of Barlinnie, Peterhead or Kilmarnock (scrub Kilmarnock, probably improve the quality of the constituents) could make a differernce especially as they are a group with a special self interest that could be targetted.

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41 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said:

Do they vote in their home constituency, where 8,000 spread over the country would be minimal, or on block where they are incarcerated?

A few hundred convicts in the constituencies of Barlinnie, Peterhead or Kilmarnock (scrub Kilmarnock, probably improve the quality of the constituents) could make a differernce especially as they are a group with a special self interest that could be targetted.

Dunno, but Barlinnie is in Glasgow North East which has an electorate of about 60,000 and a voter turnout of about 35,000 and Glasgow Provan which has an electorate of about 55,000 and a voter turnout of about 24,000.  Barlinnie  houses about 1,000 prisoners. 

If the prisoners for some reason decided to all vote for the same party despite their differing crimes, interests, sentences, backgrounds, levels of education etc then a special interest party would finish a distant fourth behind the Conservatives but above the Lib Dems. If the SNP or Labour specifically courted the votes of prisoners then the one MP/MSP gained would probably be an overall disaster for PR. 

I think it'd be more likely they'd do it according to ordinary domicile but either way it's clearly not going to matter at all. 

Edit - Peterhead doesn't exist anymore but was much smaller.  The replacement has about 500 prisoners, including some young offenders. 

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5 minutes ago, The OP said:

Dunno, but Barlinnie is in Glasgow North East which has an electorate of about 60,000 and a voter turnout of about 35,000 and Glasgow Provan which has an electorate of about 55,000 and a voter turnout of about 24,000.  Barlinnie  houses about 1,000 prisoners. 

If the prisoners for some reason decided to all vote for the same party despite their differing crimes, interests, sentences, backgrounds, levels of education etc then a special interest party would finish a distant fourth behind the Conservatives but above the Lib Dems. If the SNP or Labour specifically courted the votes of prisoners then the one MP/MSP gained would probably be an overall disaster for PR. 

I think it'd be more likely they'd do it according to ordinary domicile but either way it's clearly not going to matter at all. 

Edit - Peterhead doesn't exist anymore but was much smaller. 

I apologise for you taking my answer 100% seriously, and acknowledge that the prison in Peterhead is actually call HMP Grampian.

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3 minutes ago, MEADOWXI said:

I apologise for you taking my answer 100% seriously, and acknowledge that the prison in Peterhead is actually call HMP Grampian.

Gotta be honest, other than briefly saying Kilmarnock is a shitehole I see nothing to suggest your answer wasn't 100% serious. Needs more smiley faces. 

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1 hour ago, The OP said:

Dunno, but Barlinnie is in Glasgow North East which has an electorate of about 60,000 and a voter turnout of about 35,000 and Glasgow Provan which has an electorate of about 55,000 and a voter turnout of about 24,000.  Barlinnie  houses about 1,000 prisoners. 

If the prisoners for some reason decided to all vote for the same party despite their differing crimes, interests, sentences, backgrounds, levels of education etc then a special interest party would finish a distant fourth behind the Conservatives but above the Lib Dems. If the SNP or Labour specifically courted the votes of prisoners then the one MP/MSP gained would probably be an overall disaster for PR. 

I think it'd be more likely they'd do it according to ordinary domicile but either way it's clearly not going to matter at all. 

Edit - Peterhead doesn't exist anymore but was much smaller.  The replacement has about 500 prisoners, including some young offenders. 

 

1 hour ago, MEADOWXI said:

I apologise for you taking my answer 100% seriously, and acknowledge that the prison in Peterhead is actually call HMP Grampian.

And HMP Grampian does not house any young offenders.  The YOI has been closed since a month after it opened after the little shits decided to riot.

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In any event, the 'Free the Paedos' party is unlikely to make much headway with 500 supporters in Banff and Buchan. 

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59 minutes ago, The OP said:

In any event, the 'Free the Paedos' party is unlikely to make much headway with 500 supporters in Banff and Buchan. 

You are 5 years too late.  In fact the sex offenders are more likely to be in fife now.

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3 hours ago, The OP said:

In any event, the 'Free the Paedos' party is unlikely to make much headway with 500 supporters in Banff and Buchan. 

It seems a very simple solution to stop a block Barlinnie vote is to make prisoners eligible to vote at the address of their next of kin rather than in the prison's constituency.

In cases with no next of kin, then the address given in court. And if no address was given then they can vote in the prison constituency.

 

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