Lisa Cuddy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: What have I misunderstood about said data? All the bits about the numbers, what they mean and their application to the context. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 38 infants at 23 weeks, 4 died, 23 survived to discharge, 22 survived to 2 years of age, 11 had no moderate/severe disability. 60 infants at 24 weeks, 1 died, 40 survived to discharge, 36 survived to years of age, 23 had no moderate/severe disability. None of those numbers would tell me to just give up on a 23 week old without a fight. Edited April 26, 2018 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: 38 infants at 23 weeks, 4 died, 23 survived to discharge, 22 survived to 2 years of age, 11 had no moderate/severe disability. None of those numbers would tell me to just give up on a 23 week old without a fight. Could you share the source for those statistics, please? Edited April 26, 2018 by Gaz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, ayrmad said: 38 infants at 23 weeks, 4 died, 23 survived to discharge, 22 survived to 2 years of age, 11 had no moderate/severe disability. None of those numbers would tell me to just give up on a 23 week old without a fight. And herein is where you've failed to grasp the point. Medical professionals don't just give up because statistics tell them to. They would look at the individual in question, assess on that basis, and make decisions from there. They don't simply say they aren't going to bother. How do you think the research was carried out? The fact the mortality rate isn't 100% should have been a big enough clue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 What do health professionals know? They only spend years doing specialised study and training and commit to a process of career long learning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Lisa Cuddy said: And herein is where you've failed to grasp the point. Medical professionals don't just give up because statistics tell them to. They would look at the individual in question, assess on that basis, and make decisions from there. They don't simply say they aren't going to bother. How do you think the research was carried out? The fact the mortality rate isn't 100% should have been a big enough clue. You've failed to grasp the point that you butted in about viability. If we're putting it in the context of abortion then I don't agree that children are aborted at 24 weeks while babies can survive at 22 weeks, the cutoffs should be the same. We've been here before, some kids being helped to live at 23 weeks and others left in a kidney dish to die, it doesn't and never will sit well with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: They only spend years doing specialised study and training and commit to a process of career long learning. So do taxi drivers to be fair. Give taxi drivers doctors wages IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: You've failed to grasp the point that you butted in about viability. If we're putting it in the context of abortion then I don't agree that children are aborted at 24 weeks while babies can survive at 22 weeks, the cutoffs should be the same. We've been here before, some kids being helped to live at 23 weeks and others left in a kidney dish to die, it doesn't and never will sit well with me. You really can't see a difference between those two situations? That speaks volumes about your understanding and makes it clear why your opinion in the whole debate counts for f**k all, even if it were an issue that affected you directly. Thankfully. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Time for somebody to point out that everyone siding with Nurse Cuddy is only doing so in the hope of getting in her pants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Time for somebody to point out that everyone siding with Nurse Cuddy is only doing so in the hope of getting in her pants. Chlamydia Kid inbound 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lisa Cuddy said: You really can't see a difference between those two situations? That speaks volumes about your understanding and makes it clear why your opinion in the whole debate counts for f**k all, even if it were an issue that affected you directly. Thankfully. No, one is wanted and the other is not, that's the difference, make the cutoffs the same and that is taken out of the conundrum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 I'm not going to have sex with any of you. You may feel free to white knight ayrmad if you wish, starting now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Lisa Cuddy said: I'm not going to have sex with any of you. You may feel free to white knight ayrmad if you wish, starting now. I'm not into white knighting, for better or worse I fight my own corner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, ayrmad said: I'm not into white knighting, for better or worse I fight my own corner. Definitely for worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lisa Cuddy said: I'm not going to have sex with any of you. You may feel free to white knight ayrmad if you wish, starting now. Shite. In that case I have sympathy for reducing the time limit for most abortions from 5 1/2 months to say 18 weeks, unless the health of the Mother is at risk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, The Moonster said: Definitely for worse. I'm doing fine, nobody has proved that children aren't viable before 24 weeks because they can't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: I'm doing fine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Time for somebody to point out that everyone siding with Nurse Cuddy is only doing so in the hope of getting in her pants. appropriate in a thread started by banana I suppose 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Rugster said: Should have thought of that before having sex then. That would work as an argument against abortion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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