HibeeJibee Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 None of you boys have lived. Getting your TV listings from the wee "Regional Variations" box afoot the page was where it was at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Can remember once in the pre-mobile phone days doing a live report on a Clyde v Stranraer game for this lot from a phone box outside Shawfield. Had to hold the door shut with one hand to prevent an angry wifey interrupting. She was annoyed at how long I had been using the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazza Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Surely if bbc are showing a game every round of english fa cup should do same do same for all nations cups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 I could imagine it earlier, the most Scottish thing ever being: "and do you Harry, take Meghan to be your lawfu..." ***We interrupt this broadcast to bring you extended pre-match coverage of the Scottish Cup final, beginning with Round 1 highlights from Civil Service Strollers versus Strathspey Thistle. The Royal wedding will continue on the BBC News channel, channel 107 for Freeview users*** (The way it f***ing should be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 2 hours ago, ancientnoise said: I'm looking forward to the day when Liam McLeod stops being the BBC's #1 commentator. I'd prefer to watch games without being shouted at by a spitting hyperbolist. I only regret being unable to give more than one greenie to this. ... The next contract could be interesting. I think Sky have only taken the Scottish Cup in the past as a package deal with Scotland qualifiers, but they don't need to do that now because those are sold centrally by UEFA. Scottish Cup is of limited value to Sky, because you don't know if there will be any games that are good for ratings (although the SFA have tried their best by drawing OF and Edinburgh derbies every season for the last god knows how many years), they can't show replays now (thanks to UEFA) and the final has to be on free-to-air TV in Scotland. I think it will end up on BBC, with some of the early rounds shunted off to the new channel or ALBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 Is there a reason nothing has been announced? Is it somehow linked to who gets the new SPFL deal for 2020 onwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 5 hours ago, bendan said: Is there a reason nothing has been announced? Is it somehow linked to who gets the new SPFL deal for 2020 onwards? It isn't linked to the SPFL contract, because the Scottish Cup belongs to the SFA. I think it will be one of the first things on Ian Maxwell's to-do list. Regan going is probably one of the reasons it hasn't been done already. The Scottish Cup is basically the only TV rights the SFA has to sell, but it's value is quite limited. Only five rounds (with Premiership teams involved) each year, you can't show replays because of the UEFA rules, you aren't guaranteed attractive fixtures and the final has to be on free-to-air TV in Scotland. Some of those problems don't apply to the League Cup, which BT took last year, because games are played to a finish and its final doesn't have to be on free-to-air. When Sky took the Scottish Cup in the past, they were doing it as part of a wider deal with the SFA to get Scotland games. The other "home nations" are fairly valuable to Sky because they don't normally get England games, but all the qualifying games are sold centrally by UEFA now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, JamesM82 said: It isn't linked to the SPFL contract, because the Scottish Cup belongs to the SFA. I think it will be one of the first things on Ian Maxwell's to-do list. Regan going is probably one of the reasons it hasn't been done already. I realise the rights are separately owned, it's just that it's odd for nothing to have been agreed by now. The SPFL deal for 2020 is expected to be agreed in the autumn of this year, so I was wondering if broadcasters (or the SFA) were waiting to see which way that went before concluding the cup deal. No matter what, you'd expect the BBC to be part of it. A lot of the money paid out to teams in the cup comes from the TV deal, but now this is completely separate from the international matches, there's a danger funding could drop significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 There’s no UEFA rules about showing replays, and there never has been. There was a memorandum of understanding between the EPFL and UEFA that means no top division or national cup games would be televised against the Champions League. But this MOU has now expired without a replacement, so as it stands there is nothing to stop cup replays being shown on Champions League nights. It’s unlikely there will be a replacement as well, given the current strained relations between UEFA and the European leagues. As for the money, the TV deal for 2014/15-2017/18 was signed after the centralisation of qualifier rights. It’ll take a lot to convince me that Sky paid the bulk of their £56m for seven friendlies (a number not even guaranteed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 It was my understanding that UEFA and the EPFL agreed a new MOU in September last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 hours ago, The Master said: There’s no UEFA rules about showing replays, and there never has been. There was a memorandum of understanding between the EPFL and UEFA that means no top division or national cup games would be televised against the Champions League. But this MOU has now expired without a replacement, so as it stands there is nothing to stop cup replays being shown on Champions League nights. It’s unlikely there will be a replacement as well, given the current strained relations between UEFA and the European leagues. As for the money, the TV deal for 2014/15-2017/18 was signed after the centralisation of qualifier rights. It’ll take a lot to convince me that Sky paid the bulk of their £56m for seven friendlies (a number not even guaranteed). Looking back at that, it was a great deal for the SFA / terrible deal for Sky. The SFA got a bit more money for a lot less content. The SFA can't even offer them the friendly games now as (in theory) the Nations League should take up most/all of those dates. There are a couple of friendlies coming up v Belgium and Portugal, but that's because we happened to get drawn in a three-team group. Without Scotland games, there's no way that Sky will keep paying the SFA 14M a year just to show the Scottish Cup. That's almost as much as what BT and Sky pay for the whole league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 hours ago, JamesM82 said: Looking back at that, it was a great deal for the SFA / terrible deal for Sky. The SFA got a bit more money for a lot less content. The SFA can't even offer them the friendly games now as (in theory) the Nations League should take up most/all of those dates. There are a couple of friendlies coming up v Belgium and Portugal, but that's because we happened to get drawn in a three-team group. Without Scotland games, there's no way that Sky will keep paying the SFA 14M a year just to show the Scottish Cup. That's almost as much as what BT and Sky pay for the whole league! The previous deal before that (which didn’t include qualifiers) was £60m a year. That suggests (not accounting for inflation) Sky valued the competitive Scotland home rights at only £4m. What do you think that makes the friendlies worth? Are you suggesting that the SFA somehow managed to extract more out of Sky than the rights were worth? Excuse me while I go and laugh my arse off in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 22, 2018 Author Share Posted May 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Master said: The previous deal before that (which didn’t include qualifiers) was £60m a year. Don't you mean "which included qualifiers" and "£60m over four years"? The amount paid for 2014-2018 does seem high in the context of the value Sky put on league games at that time, but I suppose there was competitive bidding for the SFA rights whereas the SPFL rights have been suppressed by the nature of the deal signed in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 57 minutes ago, The Master said: The previous deal before that (which didn’t include qualifiers) was £60m a year. That suggests (not accounting for inflation) Sky valued the competitive Scotland home rights at only £4m. What do you think that makes the friendlies worth? Are you suggesting that the SFA somehow managed to extract more out of Sky than the rights were worth? Excuse me while I go and laugh my arse off in the corner. Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. This season, Sky showed nine games in the Scottish Cup. Fraserburgh v Rangers Hearts v Hibs Ayr v Rangers Aberdeen v Dundee Utd Celtic v Morton Rangers v Falkirk Motherwell v Aberdeen Celtic v Rangers Celtic v Motherwell The two games in bold were also shown on BBC Scotland, so Sky only had seven games exclusively. You think that lot is worth £14M? There's only two of the exclusive games that are even remotely attractive to TV. No wonder the SFA is having difficulty agreeing a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, bendan said: Don't you mean "which included qualifiers" and "£60m over four years"? Yes, apologies. £60m over four years reinforces my point, however, since the new deal was £56m for the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, JamesM82 said: Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. This season, Sky showed nine games in the Scottish Cup. Fraserburgh v Rangers Hearts v Hibs Ayr v Rangers Aberdeen v Dundee Utd Celtic v Morton Rangers v Falkirk Motherwell v Aberdeen Celtic v Rangers Celtic v Motherwell The two games in bold were also shown on BBC Scotland, so Sky only had seven games exclusively. You think that lot is worth £14M? Well, no, because the rights do include the price of Scotland home friendlies, however small. But there's one game in there that also artificially boosts the value of the rights, whether we like it or not. I find it bizarre that in a thread primarily about how poorly TV deals are negotiated in Scotland, you're suggesting the SFA managed to pull a fast one on Sky - a broadcaster that notoriously tries to pick up rights at a knock-down price (EPL excepted, since they aren't in control). It's not even as if there was a bidding war, because BT were only just finding their feet when this deal was struck which left Sky as the only realistic broadcaster left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 1 minute ago, The Master said: Well, no, because the rights do include the price of Scotland home friendlies, however small. But there's one game in there that also artificially boosts the value of the rights, whether we like it or not. I find it bizarre that in a thread primarily about how poorly TV deals are negotiated in Scotland, you're suggesting the SFA managed to pull a fast one on Sky - a broadcaster that notoriously tries to pick up rights at a knock-down price (EPL excepted, since they aren't in control). It's not even as if there was a bidding war, because BT were only just finding their feet when this deal was struck which left Sky as the only realistic broadcaster left. Why is it that bizarre? Sky were paying the SFA £15M pa already, which is chump change to Sky. SFA approach them with a deal that cuts that down to £14M pa. Some junior exec at Sky forgets to check the small print, signs off the deal and fucks off for lunch. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Just now, JamesM82 said: Why is it that bizarre? Sky were paying the SFA £15M pa already, which is chump change to Sky. SFA approach them with a deal that cuts that down to £14M pa. Some junior exec at Sky forgets to check the small print, signs off the deal and fucks off for lunch. Done. How could anyone possibly argue against such amazing insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 8 hours ago, JamesM82 said: Looking back at that, it was a great deal for the SFA / terrible deal for Sky. The SFA got a bit more money for a lot less content. The SFA can't even offer them the friendly games now as (in theory) the Nations League should take up most/all of those dates. There are a couple of friendlies coming up v Belgium and Portugal, but that's because we happened to get drawn in a three-team group. Without Scotland games, there's no way that Sky will keep paying the SFA 14M a year just to show the Scottish Cup. That's almost as much as what BT and Sky pay for the whole league! I think these friendlies are compulsory and are part of the centralised TV deal rather than being sold separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 On 23/04/2018 at 14:01, bendan said: Yes, the lack of interest in the early rounds is annoying. William Hill (or perhaps it's the SFA) put out some decent round ups on Youtube this season, but it would be nice to see our public service broadcaster showing more interest. William Hill didn't even take bets on the early rounds last year iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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