Gender Pay Gap

[chomp my root]

23 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

The initial point was about making a workplace less dependent on competition between workers. Maybe paying people up and down a workforce more equally than we do atm might relieve some pressure to constantly be climbing the ladder. Pretty simple my man.

 

YOUR initial point might have been but you've moved the argument on. I'm not sure why I should use your baseline as the starting point.

12 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

He's not whining (or greeting) about it.

These are complex and often subtle issues. Trying to demean them in this manner is pretty poor form.

Apologies, I thought this was Pie & Bovril and not the new dream workplace, demeaning others viewpoints is the cornerstone of the place. 

11 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Work doesn't have to be shit. We can build and shape our society in a different way.

Work life balance is a good example of this. Compare the average working week in different countries and the difference is sometimes vast.

These cultures around work can be changed.

I'm sure between us on here we'll get things changed and we can all live and work as one in the new Utopian workplace.  

I'd start with a strongly worded letter to the Socialist Worker, maybe tweet Corbyn.

[NotThePars]

I'm sure between us on here we'll get things changed and we can all live and work as one in the new Utopian workplace.  

I'd start with a strongly worded letter to the Socialist Worker, maybe tweet Corbyn.

 

You’ve been responding to me for the past couple of hours that’s why I would assume we were going off my point. I’m not sure why you’re being so passive aggressive about this. Maybe that’s the halfway point between a generally aggressive workplace that exists now and the utopian dream down the line. I could get on board, I love a wee note complaining about someone else’s etiquette.

[Hedgecutter]

Female economist debating with an MP (middle-aged black female for a London constituency who's name I didn't catch) on BBC 10 mins ago. Economist defending airlines by highlighting that Ryanair has 8 female pilots and that they're actively trying to recruit more females with much difficulty, hence nothing to do with an equal pay issue if most females are cabin crew / admin etc.

The MP, who is suddenly on the back foot, evidently plucks an argument from thin air and tries to claim that they must have a recruitment bias in order to 'keep a male image'.

[nsr]

Start off with a conclusion and you'll find a way to make the facts fit it.

[The Moonster]

I've posted this before but I think it shows how the "gender pay gap" gets manipulated for certain agendas.  It genuinely doesn't exist in Britain when you compare like for like jobs:

The problem is the difference between top and bottom in this country, not man and woman. 

[The Master]

The gender pay gap has been conflated with the issue of "equal pay for equal work", triggered by Carrie Gracie at the BBC. When in fact, the two things are completely different (not least because the latter is illegal). But it suits certain agendas to try and make them one and the same. 

Yes the pay gap should be closed, but that's not something that can be done overnight. To run with the Ryanair example above, you can actively recruit more women and train them to fly planes, but you can't immediately make them a captain. They need to start off as a first officer, which quite obviously has to be a lower-paid position than captain. 

[nsr]

57 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

The problem is the difference between top and bottom in this country, not man and woman. 

^ This. Everyone gets crapped on from a high height by those with power and wealth, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, religious beliefs or lack thereof, etc.

[GoTeamGaz]

The problem with the way these figures have been collated & reported is that there is one surefire easy way to redress the balance. Make sure that any low level employee you hire, especially one doing part time work or minimum wage work, from now on is Male. Massages the figures at the bottom without having to upset the apple cart at boardroom level. I fear this will turn out to harm low-income women disproportionately.

 

(not that it's wrong to try and fix it, just that companies will take the easiest/shortest way to trick the statistics to avoid criticism)

[Peppino Impastato]

4 hours ago, The Master said:

The gender pay gap has been conflated with the issue of "equal pay for equal work", triggered by Carrie Gracie at the BBC. When in fact, the two things are completely different (not least because the latter is illegal). But it suits certain agendas to try and make them one and the same. 

Yes the pay gap should be closed, but that's not something that can be done overnight. To run with the Ryanair example above, you can actively recruit more women and train them to fly planes, but you can't immediately make them a captain. They need to start off as a first officer, which quite obviously has to be a lower-paid position than captain. 

Do you really want a woman flying your plane though lol

Joke x

[D.A.F.C]

Let's employ unqualified women to replace more qualified men. That will make things fair.

[Mark Connolly]

The BBC are attempting to balance things out by giving Clare Balding every job going.

[welshbairn]

9 hours ago, nsr said:

^ This. Everyone gets crapped on from a high height by those with power and wealth, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, religious beliefs or lack thereof, etc.

Una Stubbs hasn't complained.

[NotThePars]

WeeperDee liking all the right posts and starting this thread at all makes me think he’s been jilted by a feminist recently.

[MONKMAN]

Weeperdee idly stood by and watched his dad get an absolute shoeing. I think we already know everything we need to about him.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

1 hour ago, MONKMAN said:

Weeperdee idly stood by and watched his dad get an absolute shoeing. I think we already know everything we need to about him.

He's probably suffered enough for this. There may also be mitigating circumstances. For example, my old man's a bitter right wing UKIP/Tory. I'd probably let him get a shoeing tbh.

[itzdrk]

I see from the BBC website that women are paid 13.3% more than men at my work.   

Smash the matriarchy!

[pandarilla]

I see from the BBC website that women are paid 13.3% more than men at my work.   
Smash the matriarchy!

Massage parlour?

[ayrmad]

On 02/04/2018 at 20:46, NotThePars said:

 

The initial point was about making a workplace less dependent on competition between workers. Maybe paying people up and down a workforce more equally than we do atm might relieve some pressure to constantly be climbing the ladder. Pretty simple my man.

 

f**k that, a shite worker shouldn't get the same as a good worker.

[hk blues]

I'm late to the party...what's the issue here - men being paid more than women OR women doing work of equal value to men being paid less? We have laws to prevent one, and isn't the other a consequence of so many factors that will not be resolved anytime soon?

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On 4/4/2018 at 11:49, The Master said:

The gender pay gap has been conflated with the issue of "equal pay for equal work", triggered by Carrie Gracie at the BBC. When in fact, the two things are completely different (not least because the latter is illegal). But it suits certain agendas to try and make them one and the same. 

Yes the pay gap should be closed, but that's not something that can be done overnight. To run with the Ryanair example above, you can actively recruit more women and train them to fly planes, but you can't immediately make them a captain. They need to start off as a first officer, which quite obviously has to be a lower-paid position than captain. 

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How do Ryanair recruit more women surely it would be illegal to let someone have a job purely based on their gender.(however, you could target job ads towards women) I'm not suggesting that allowances for women shouldn't be made especially mothers and women should be encouraged to take these job which is seen as a "mans world"

I think something that would help the earnings over a lifetime stat would be to give both parents 6 months fully paid leave after the birth of a child and a further 6 months paid for one of the parents this is the case in some other countries where child poverty is low and happiness is really high.

What I can't understand is that in companies which pay bonuses men pretty much always receive more in bonuses. How does this work as I am someone who can't get a bonus, does each team negotiate their own bonus or is it individually allocated?