Gender Pay Gap

[SweeperDee]

Jonathan Pie has put up a video which I think dismantles the myths surrounding the Gender Pay Gap. Thoughts P&B?

 

[invergowrie arab]

I think most women would have dived in if their dad was taking a kicking.

Pay them cowards' wages

[SweeperDee]

I think most women would have dived in if their dad was taking a kicking.
Pay them cowards' wages

Imagine a fellow Invergowrian (albeit DAB) resorting to absolute shite patter.

[Miguel Sanchez]

Given the two cases of Jonathan Pie videos I've seen posted here he appears to be a budget version of Jordan "The B Stands For Beta" Peterson, so I'll pass, thanks

 

ps you watched your da get a kicking

[NotThePars]

Jonathan “boot in the” Pie IMO

[yoda]

I'm relieved that a blunt-force satirist has managed to boil down this multi-faceted, incredibly nuanced, complex issue into a ~7 minute video. He sure showed those SJWs!

[bennett]

1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Given the two cases of Jonathan Pie videos I've seen posted here he appears to be a budget version of Jordan "The B Stands For Beta" Peterson, so I'll pass, thanks

 

ps you watched your da get a kicking

 

Aye ok Chuck Norris.....

[Guest JTS98]

The arguments in the video are perfectly valid and this is something that has deeply irritated me in the media in recent years.

The studies used to 'show' that women are paid less than men for the same work do not show that at all. They show that your average man makes more money than your average woman. That is not anything like the same thing. I find it quite concerning that so many media outlets report this as fact when their well-educated staff simply must be aware that it is not so.

The studies that give figures like 76p in the pound would fail a first-year university stats project. They would fail because the figures are not controlled.

For example, we know that men work more hours than women https://www.statista.com/statistics/280749/monthly-full-time-weekly-hours-of-work-in-the-uk-by-gender-year-on-year/. So, men making more money shouldn't be a surprise. We also know that 97% of accidental deaths in the workplace in the UK are male http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf. We also know that women are much more likely to take sick days than men, as reported by the ONS. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/10660612/Women-are-almost-42-per-cent-more-likely-to-take-sick-days-than-men.html

These are just three examples. But basically men work more hours, take less time off, work in more dangerous jobs and are more likely to be prepared to take employment that means they have to be separated from their family for extended periods. In a capitalist society this is always going to result in men being paid more. The market values those attributes.

It is disingenuous in the extreme to say that women are paid less than men for the same work simply by citing 'full-time' work, and what bothers me is that those reporting this clearly know that. Yet they are happy to whip up a controversy where none should reasonably exist. The Guardian recently ran an article on the 'gender' pay gap at an airline where, blow me down with a feather, the mostly-male pilots were paid more than they mostly-female cabin crew. They actually presented that as a gender pay issue. It's ridiculous.

I'm a generally PC and left-wards leaning kind of person, but arguments based on falsehood, especially known falsehood, really annoy me, regardless of who they come from. The gender pay-gap in the UK as reported in the 21st century is nonsense.

 

[SweeperDee]

The arguments in the video are perfectly valid and this is something that has deeply irritated me in the media in recent years.
The studies used to 'show' that women are paid less than men for the same work do not show that at all. They show that your average man makes more money than your average woman. That is not anything like the same thing. I find it quite concerning that so many media outlets report this as fact when their well-educated staff simply must be aware that it is not so.
The studies that give figures like 76p in the pound would fail a first-year university stats project. They would fail because the figures are not controlled.
For example, we know that men work more hours than women https://www.statista.com/statistics/280749/monthly-full-time-weekly-hours-of-work-in-the-uk-by-gender-year-on-year/. So, men making more money shouldn't be a surprise. We also know that 97% of accidental deaths in the workplace in the UK are male http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf. We also know that women are much more likely to take sick days than men, as reported by the ONS. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/10660612/Women-are-almost-42-per-cent-more-likely-to-take-sick-days-than-men.html
These are just three examples. But basically men work more hours, take less time off, work in more dangerous jobs and are more likely to be prepared to take employment that means they have to be separated from their family for extended periods. In a capitalist society this is always going to result in men being paid more. The market values those attributes.
It is disingenuous in the extreme to say that women are paid less than men for the same work simply by citing 'full-time' work, and what bothers me is that those reporting this clearly know that. Yet they are happy to whip up a controversy where none should reasonably exist. The Guardian recently ran an article on the 'gender' pay gap at an airline where, blow me down with a feather, the mostly-male pilots were paid more than they mostly-female cabin crew. They actually presented that as a gender pay issue. It's ridiculous.
I'm a generally PC and left-wards leaning kind of person, but arguments based on falsehood, especially known falsehood, really annoy me, regardless of who they come from. The gender pay-gap in the UK as reported in the 21st century is nonsense.
 

A genuinely good response. As outlined in the video; there’s still issues to be worked on, but if these sort of gender inequality issues were based on facts rather than tired, and consistently debunked myths, we might make more progress.

[NotThePars]

8 hours ago, SweeperDee said:

 

A genuinely good response. As outlined in the video; there’s still issues to be worked on, but if these sort of gender inequality issues were based on facts rather than tired, and consistently debunked myths, we might make more progress.

 

 

You're ascribing a level of good faith engagement to a lot of people that don't have it. 

[chomp my root]

Nobody seems to care about the poor guys who do porn, they don't get a patch on what the lassies earn. Sometimes they have to do 3 or even 4 films a week to make ends meet.  Its a sorry state of affairs, political correctness gone mad etc. 

Sorry to throw a handful of keech into what's shaping up to be an interesting thread.  The false figures tossed about this has boiled my piss for years when basically anyone who doesn't negotiate their own contract is on a set pay scale, great post by JTS98.

[trainspotter]

11 minutes ago, chomp my root said:

Sometimes they have to do 3 or even 4 films a week to make ends meet. 

 

[chomp my root]

14 minutes ago, trainspotter said:

 

Depends what kind of porn you like I guess. Don't judge me. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I work in a job where there is a pay scale for every grade, you stay there ten years you hit the top of the scale, male or female, yet my union go on about gender pay gaps etc, everyone’s paid the fucking same.

[Hedgecutter]

On 01/04/2018 at 05:29, JTS98 said:

The arguments in the video are perfectly valid and this is something that has deeply irritated me in the media in recent years.
The studies used to 'show' that women are paid less than men for the same work do not show that at all. They show that your average man makes more money than your average woman. That is not anything like the same thing. I find it quite concerning that so many media outlets report this as fact when their well-educated staff simply must be aware that it is not so.
The studies that give figures like 76p in the pound would fail a first-year university stats project. They would fail because the figures are not controlled.
For example, we know that men work more hours than women https://www.statista.com/statistics/280749/monthly-full-time-weekly-hours-of-work-in-the-uk-by-gender-year-on-year/. So, men making more money shouldn't be a surprise. We also know that 97% of accidental deaths in the workplace in the UK are male http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf. We also know that women are much more likely to take sick days than men, as reported by the ONS. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/10660612/Women-are-almost-42-per-cent-more-likely-to-take-sick-days-than-men.html
These are just three examples. But basically men work more hours, take less time off, work in more dangerous jobs and are more likely to be prepared to take employment that means they have to be separated from their family for extended periods. In a capitalist society this is always going to result in men being paid more. The market values those attributes.
It is disingenuous in the extreme to say that women are paid less than men for the same work simply by citing 'full-time' work, and what bothers me is that those reporting this clearly know that. Yet they are happy to whip up a controversy where none should reasonably exist. The Guardian recently ran an article on the 'gender' pay gap at an airline where, blow me down with a feather, the mostly-male pilots were paid more than they mostly-female cabin crew. They actually presented that as a gender pay issue. It's ridiculous.
I'm a generally PC and left-wards leaning kind of person, but arguments based on falsehood, especially known falsehood, really annoy me, regardless of who they come from. The gender pay-gap in the UK as reported in the 21st century is nonsense.

If someone with a remnant account could post this up on Mumsnet, then that would provide some excellent Sunday viewing.

Thanks in advance.

[Cerberus]

The worst example is women football players wanting the same pay as men.
Women's football is atrocious.

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, chomp my root said:

Nobody seems to care about the poor guys who do porn, they don't get a patch on what the lassies earn. Sometimes they have to do 3 or even 4 films a week to make ends meet.  Its a sorry state of affairs, political correctness gone mad etc. 

 

Much more stressful and challenging too. You can't fake an erection or money shots, and you have to time them just right. Thinking about retiring tbh.

[DA Baracus]

40 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

I work in a job where there is a pay scale for every grade, you stay there ten years you hit the top of the scale, male or female, yet my union go on about gender pay gaps etc, everyone’s paid the fucking same.

That's how the majority of work places operate

[Hedgecutter]

The worst example is women football players wanting the same pay as men.
Women's football is atrocious.

But, but... the tennis.

[Tony Ferrino]

1 hour ago, trainspotter said:

 

Women have a P gap?