Players a bit unlucky not to have more capso

[forameus]

7 minutes ago, King Kebab said:

Just to add/reiterate/fuckin get ye telt, I'm neither a Rangers fan or a Kris Boyd obsessive/stalker, but was interested in his goals breakdown and came across the above piece!!!

Hiya Kris, Hiya pal!

[King Kebab]

Could also add Ray Stewart to the mix, an excellent defender for Dundee Utd and West Ham, but at the wrong time, another one who wasn't going to break the Miller-McLiesh partnership!!!
10 caps, 1 goal!!!

[King Kebab]

Ray Stephen is another one, handpicked by Arsene Wenger to build his Nancy team around and thus his own reputation, was very highly regarded in France and scored more than a goal every three games from central midfield - never got a single cap!!!

The guy would have his own thread on here if he was playing now!!!

 

[Distant Doonhamer]

43 minutes ago, King Kebab said:

Could also add Ray Stewart to the mix, an excellent defender for Dundee Utd and West Ham, but at the wrong time, another one who wasn't going to break the Miller-McLiesh partnership!!!
10 caps, 1 goal!!!

Ray Stewart was a right back was he not. Wouldn`t think it was Miler/McLeish who kept him out.

Wiki suggests being sent off in the an Under21 match v England in April 1982 cost him his place in the 82 world cup squad and afterf that incident Stein didn`t pick him again. He was ultimately recalled by Andy Roxburgh.  RayStewartWiki

Agree 10 caps seems paltry given his ability though.

[King Kebab]

Ray Stewart was a right back was he not. Wouldn`t think it was Miler/McLeish who kept him out.
Wiki suggests being sent off in the an Under21 match v England in April 1982 cost him his place in the 82 world cup squad and afterf that incident Stein didn`t pick him again. He was ultimately recalled by Andy Roxburgh.  RayStewartWiki
Agree 10 caps seems paltry given his ability though.

Maybe, I seem to recall him playing in the middle at the back on old MOTDs, maybe he moved there later in his career, but again should have had more caps!!!

[King Kebab]

But here's one who couldn't break the M&Mc pairing, Allan Evans, European Cup winner with Aston Villa, four caps!!!

[Distant Doonhamer]

1 hour ago, King Kebab said:

But here's one who couldn't break the M&Mc pairing, Allan Evans, European Cup winner with Aston Villa, four caps!!!

Evans`s central defensive partner was also a Scot- Ken McNaught -No caps.

At the time of course it was comonplace for Scots to feature in european finals. Even if we look just at those playing central defence and restrict it to the 80s the following all appeared at CB in a European Final.

Kenny Burns European Cup Final 1980 (and 1979).  20 caps.

Alan Hansen European Cup Final 1981 1984 and 1985  (also 1978) 26 caps.

Allan Evans 1982 European Cup Final. 4 caps.

Ken McNaught 1982 European Cup Final. 0 caps.

Gary Gillespie 1985 European Cup Final (came on as a sub for Mark Lawrenson after 3-4 minutes).  13 caps.

McLeish (77 caps) and Miller (65 caps) in Cup Winners Final in 1983.

Also Paul Hegarty (8 caps), David Narey (35 caps) and John Clark (0 caps) all featured in central defence over the 2-leg 1987 UEFA Cup Final.

Seems like (and is) a very long time ago now, and that`s just looking at the central defenders!

Also worth noting of course that English clubs and thus many Scots players were banned from Europe for a number of years after the 1985 Heysel final.

[topsider]

Heard Craig Levein was a player so surprised he got so few caps.

[JamesM82]

18 minutes ago, topsider said:

Heard Craig Levein was a player so surprised he got so few caps.

Levein didn't really come in until 1990, mainly blocked before then by Miller / McLeish. I think in one of his early caps (debut?) we beat Argentina, sans Maradona, 1-0. He then played a fair bit in the early 90s but injuries kicked in and he retired quite early.

[Rabinho]

Ray Stewart was a right back was he not. Wouldn`t think it was Miler/McLeish who kept him out.
Wiki suggests being sent off in the an Under21 match v England in April 1982 cost him his place in the 82 world cup squad and afterf that incident Stein didn`t pick him again. He was ultimately recalled by Andy Roxburgh.  RayStewartWiki
Agree 10 caps seems paltry given his ability though.

His lack of caps has been a topic of conversation at work recently since his daughter started working with us.
I’d never heard about the U21 incident, I just presumed he was second fiddle to McGrain and George Burley.

[Distant Doonhamer]

1 hour ago, Rabinho said:

His lack of caps has been a topic of conversation at work recently since his daughter started working with us.
I’d never heard about the U21 incident, I just presumed he was second fiddle to McGrain and George Burley.

Being 2nd fiddle to McGrain would have been no shame.  fabulous player.

McGrain in the 70s of course quite often played LB with Sandy Jardine at RB.

Jardine was another superb player

[JamesM82]

If serious injury counts as unlucky, John Kennedy is the obvious one. Looked a top player for Celtic, kept a blank sheet v Barca in the Nou Camp. ~10 minutes into his Scotland debut, he gets his knee wrecked by some Romanian huddy and never fully recovers. Kennedy would possibly still be playing for Scotland now but for that.

[King Kebab]

If serious injury counts as unlucky, John Kennedy is the obvious one. Looked a top player for Celtic, kept a blank sheet v Barca in the Nou Camp. ~10 minutes into his Scotland debut, he gets his knee wrecked by some Romanian huddy and never fully recovers. Kennedy would possibly still be playing for Scotland now but for that.

That's a good shout, the guy looked like he was going to be a class act!!!

Another one was Alan McLaren, I know he got 24 caps which is more than most, but I honestly think he could have been at 100 if his career wasn't wrecked by injury, retired at age 27 I think, continual interest from Italian Clubs probably brought on by him marking Baggio out of a game when he was only 20 and the "divine ponytail" was at his peak!!!

Also helped us get to Euro 96 by playing in every qualifier but missed the actual tournament through injury, the guy probably had worse luck than Ryan Gauld!!!

[velo army]

On 15/03/2018 at 13:35, King Kebab said:

Kris Boyd - Rangers Stats

Overall

155 Games (incl 35 sub appearances)

105 Goals (23 Pens)

7 Hat-tricks

17 Doubles

played 10617 minutes for Rangers = approx 1 goal per 101 minutes

60 Goals at Ibrox, 39 goals away and 6 at Hampden.

Only missed one game through suspension during his time at Ibrox (Motherwell a - 30 July 2006)

Has only missed 5 games through injury - all in the period 9/12/06 to 27/12/06 incl.

Has only played a full 90 (or 120) minutes on 67 occasions

Has been an unused sub 27 times - all under Walter Smith.

Has played in 155 out of Rangers 191 competitive games since he came to Ibrox. In the 155 competitive matches that Boyd has appeared, Rangers have scored 298 goals, so Boyd's 105 goals represent 35.2% of the clubs goals.

His longest run of starts for Rangers was 16 games from 28 Oct 08 to 17 Jan 09.

His longest run of consecutive scoring matches was 4 - the last 2 matches of PLG's tenure, Durrant's only game in charge, and Smith's first game in charge.

His longest run without a goal is 5 games, this has happened twice during his Rangers career.

 

In Europe

17 European Games, 3 Goals (1 of which was a pen)

13 games was either sub (7) or was subbed (6). Only 4 games started and completed.

17 games = 5 loses, 7 draws and 5 wins.

869 minutes of action in Europe

Average number of minutes on the field - 51 minutes.

Least minutes on field = 1 minute v Villareal (H)

Scored pen against Livorno (A)

2 goals from open play in Europe where v Auxerre (a) and Hapoel (H)

Was an unused sub in the 6 consecutive Uefa Cup matches in season 2007/2008 prior to the final.

Started all the European games (5) under Paul le Guen

Has never started in a CL group match. Indeed, has only played 34 minutes in 3 matches in the CL proper. And 89 minutes in total in 3 CL qualifying matches.

Has never scored after coming on as a sub in a European match (7 games).

 

In League

114 games, incl 23 sub appearances.

81 goals, incl 19 Pens

Won 75, Drew 22 and Lost 17.

Has scored 7 goals after coming on as a sub, all were in matches that we won by 2 goals or more, with the exception of Hearts at Tynecastle on 23/8/09.

51 goals at Ibrox and 30 away.

 

Season by Season at Rangers across all competitions

2005/06 - 21 games (4 as sub), 20 goals (2 Pens), 10 complete games.

2006/07 - 44 games (8 as sub), 26 goals (8 pens), 22 complete games

2007/08 - 41 games (16 as sub), 25 goals (5 pens), 10 complete games

2008/09 - 46 games (6 as sub), 31 goals (7 pens), 23 complete games

2009/10 - 3 games (1 as sub), 3 goals (1 pens), 1 complete game

Rocket (Topic Creator)8 years ago#2

SPL v Each team

 

V Aberdeen = 13 SPL games incl 5 as sub, 7 goals, missed 1 game (injury). Won 6, Drew 4 Lost 3. 1 Hat trick. 711 minutes played in total v Aberdeen in SPL.

 

V Celtic = 6 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 1 goal (no pens), Missed 8 games - 5 as unused sub, 2 not in squad but available and 1 through injury. Won 2, Drew 1 Lost 3. Rangers have only scored in 2 of his 6 OF games. 417 minutes played in total v Celtic in SPL.

 

V Dundee United = 11 SPL games incl 4 as sub, 8 goals (no pens), Missed 1 game as unused sub. 1 hat-trick and 1 double. Won 5 Drew 4 Lost 2. 672 minutes played v DU in SPL.

 

V Dunfermline = 4 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 1 goal (no pens). Won 3 and Drew 1. 255 minutes played v DA in SPL.

 

V Falkirk = 11 SPL games incl 2 as sub, 9 goals (2 pens). Scored on both sub apps. Won 10 and Drew 1. One double. 746 minutes played v Falkirk in SPL.

 

V Gretna = 2 SPL games incl 1 as sub, 2 goals (1 pen). Won 2. Missed 1 game as unused sub. 105 minutes played v Gretna in SPL.

 

V Hamilton = 4 SPL games, 7 goals (2 Pens). 1 hat trick and 2 double. Won 4. 346 minutes played v Accies in SPL.

 

V Hearts = 13 SPL games, 7 goals (3 pens). 2 Doubles. Won 8, drew 3 and Lost 2. Missed one game as unused sub. 919 minutes played v Hearts in SPL.

 

V Hibs = 10 SPL games (incl 2 as sub), 4 goals. 1 double. Won 5, drew 3 and lost 2. Missed 4 games, 3 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 718 minutes played v Hibs in SPL

 

V ICT = 8 SPL games (incl 1 as sub), 8 goals. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 5, drew 1 and lost 2. Missed 2 games - 1 as unused sub and 1 through injury. 560 minutes played v ICT in SPL.

 

V Killie = 12 SPL games (no subs), 13 goals incl 5 pens. 1 hat trick and 2 doubles. Won 10, drew 1 and lost 1. 1020 minutes played v Killie in SPL

 

V Livingston = 1 SPL game, 2 goals (no pens). 1 double - obviously! Won 1. 80 minutes played v Livvy in SPL.

 

V Motherwell = 11 SPL games inc 2 sub apps, 11 goals (3 pens). 1 double. Won 7 Drew 4. Missed 1 game through suspension. 803 minutes played v Motherwell in SPL.

 

V St Mirren = 9 SPL games, 5 goals (1 pen). Won 7 Drew 1 lost 1. 719 minutes played v St Mirren in SPL.

 

SPL v TOP SIX teams (up to and including season 08/09) = 56 games (incl 13 as sub), 31 goals (6 pens). Of those 56 games, 27 were away from home where his record is 27 games (incl 8 sub apps) and 12 goals (3 pens)

 

 

In League Cup

10 matches incl 2 sub apps.

9 goals incl 1 Pen.

Won 8 (incl 1 on Pens), Lost 2 (1 AET)

No hat-tricks, 2 doubles.

Scored 2 goals after coming on as sub.

Only missed one game in League Cup during his time at Ibrox - unused sub v Hearts LCSF 30/1/08.

1 goal at Ibrox, 5 away and 3 at Hampden.

 

V Dunfermline 1 goal, won.

V St Johnstone (2 games) 0 goals, won 1 and lost 1.

V East Fife 2 goals (1 pen). Game won.

V Motherwell 1 goal. Game won.

V Dundee Utd (LCF) 2 goals after coming on as sub

V Partick 1 goal. Game won.

V Hamilton 1 goal. Game won.

v Falkirk 1 goal. Game won.

v Celtic 0 goals. Came on as sub. Game Lost.

 

 

In Scottish Cup

13 matches incl 3 sub apps.

12 goals incl 2 Pen.

Won 9, Drew 2, Lost 2

2 hat-tricks, 2 doubles.

Hasn't scored any goals after coming on as sub.

Only missed one game in Scottish Cup during his time at Ibrox - not in squad v St Johnstone SCSF 20/4/08.

7 goals at Ibrox, 2 away and 3 at Hampden.

 

V Peterhead, Hat-trick (1 pen). Game won.

V Hibs (3 games incl 2 as sub), 0 goals. Won 1, Drew 1 and Lost 1.

V Dunfermline, 2 goals. Game lost.

V East Stirling, 3 goals (1 pen). Game won.

V Partick (2 games), 1 goal. 1 draw and 1 win.

V Queen of the South, 2 goals. Game won (SCF).

V Forfar, 0 goals. Game won.

V Hamilton, Came on as sub. 0 goals. Game won.

V St Mirren, 1 goal. Game won (SCSF)

V Falkirk, 0 goals. Game won (SCF)

 

 

Surprised this post didn't get more greenies. Excellent effort. Thanks mate.

[Willie adie]

Eric Black, only two caps but I have a theory that Ferguson had a hand in that.

And was never capped while at Aberdeen.

Billy Stark, the only midfielder in the liust of players who scored over 100 Premier division goals, 

Hamish McAlpine and Campbell Money, both good solid Scottish goalkeepers.

Hegarty and Narey.  How unfortunate that a superb central defensive partnership were overlooked because of an even better pairing.

Paul Mason should have been called up to the English set up.

All above or course from the 80s and the others from that era that had a good shout for more caps or to have even got one cap.

Peter Weir. Frank McAvennie, Frank McDougall, John Colquhoun,  John Wark, Eamonn Bannon, Paul Sturrock, Ralph Milne, John Brown, 

[ecto]

1 hour ago, Willie adie said:

Eric Black, only two caps but I have a theory that Ferguson had a hand in that.

And was never capped while at Aberdeen.

Billy Stark, the only midfielder in the liust of players who scored over 100 Premier division goals, 

Hamish McAlpine and Campbell Money, both good solid Scottish goalkeepers.

Hegarty and Narey.  How unfortunate that a superb central defensive partnership were overlooked because of an even better pairing.

Paul Mason should have been called up to the English set up.

All above or course from the 80s and the others from that era that had a good shout for more caps or to have even got one cap.

Peter Weir. Frank McAvennie, Frank McDougall, John Colquhoun,  John Wark, Eamonn Bannon, Paul Sturrock, Ralph Milne, John Brown, 

Not sure Bomber was ever good enough, same Cammy Fraser, also I know injuries curtailed his career but Mark MacGhee was better than his 4 caps, certainly a better player than Frank MacDougall

[King Kebab]

Eric Black, only two caps but I have a theory that Ferguson had a hand in that.
And was never capped while at Aberdeen.
Billy Stark, the only midfielder in the liust of players who scored over 100 Premier division goals, 
Hamish McAlpine and Campbell Money, both good solid Scottish goalkeepers.
Hegarty and Narey.  How unfortunate that a superb central defensive partnership were overlooked because of an even better pairing.
Paul Mason should have been called up to the English set up.
All above or course from the 80s and the others from that era that had a good shout for more caps or to have even got one cap.
Peter Weir. Frank McAvennie, Frank McDougall, John Colquhoun,  John Wark, Eamonn Bannon, Paul Sturrock, Ralph Milne, John Brown, 

John Wark got 29 caps, probably should/could have had more, but was hardly overlooked, great player!!

[Willie adie]

didnt realise wark had that many caps.

re mark McGhee. is he still the last scotland player to score on his first and last appearance for his Scotland

[Willie adie]

add Kevin McAllister, never got a sniff for scotland.

good shout Ray Stephen too forgot about him.

 

and ofcourse Andy Ritchie

[Tony Wonder]

John Robertson should've had more than 16 caps.