Auld Heid Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 They have destroyed all the EoSFL bar one team they haven't managed to get past yet [emoji6] A team who currently can't progress to LL(?) - which is problematic in getting things moving properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Are BSC looking to start another side ? Think they're more likely to be looking upwards as they're second in the Lowland League currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Auld Heid said: Clubs like BSC and Edu Sports no real structure in place - hiring a park and pretending their a viable set-up. The unfortunate thing is that both BSC & Edusport do have a real structure in place. Its just one that can be viable without using the traditional model of how a football club operates. 1 hour ago, newcastle broon said: Funny how a letter from BSC is looking to reorganise the whole of the west structure. Is this the same BSC that some slate as a made up laughable club It prompted discussion at the time and wasn't blatantly dismissed as an option. Ultimately the clubs that make up the Lowland League are likely to have a say in which leagues they could potentially be relegated in to, and we're at a point now where the majority have no real allegiance to the SoSFL. 41 minutes ago, Che Dail said: There should be no reason why a WoS league can't happen, starting next season, if 8 more clubs from the whole of the West of Scotland area step forward now to join Clydebank and BSC. That way clubs can be assured they are surrounded 100% by like-minded clubs, and nobody is being forced away against their will. Think its not likely to be done for next season at this point. Most would be unlicenced so no Scottish Cup, you'd lose the Junior Cup and possible big match days from rivals who don't make the move. There'd be no infrastructure to it and you're left trying to drum up sponsors, manage the admin side of things and the like, whereas Clydebank could potentially move to the EoSFL and get some of those perks from its league membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Are BSC looking to start another side ? Think they're more likely to be looking upwards as they're second in the Lowland League currently Supposedly the tried to start a Junior side and were rejected. The email they sent round to certain clubs drumming up interest in a West of Scotland feeder was a means to enter a reserve side into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Ah i didnt pick up on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 35 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: A team who currently can't progress to LL(?) - which is problematic in getting things moving properly. LTHV just added cover for 120 spectators to their ground and are expected to get licensed in the next few weeks so either them or Kelty should be promoted this season assuming they make it past the possible playoff with the SoS champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Most would be unlicenced so no Scottish Cup, you'd lose the Junior Cup and possible big match days from rivals who don't make the move. There'd be no infrastructure to it and you're left trying to drum up sponsors, manage the admin side of things and the like, whereas Clydebank could potentially move to the EoSFL and get some of those perks from its league membership. It doesn't need to be the Super League clubs to get it going. Take Johnstone Burgh for example, what would they stand to lose? A rich history, cracking ground, existing youth set up, decent sized town, surely bags of potential. A move to a new structure could re-ignite interest locally and with Club Licensing and potential Scottish Cup entry you have something to build a business case around to progress the club. 20 minutes from Clydebank - that's practically a derby and a decent gate right away. Add in Glasgow Uni, Strathclyde Uni, Girvan & Bonnyton? Nearly there. Kilwinning and Pollok? The Lowland league would start to get very interesting within 2 or 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Che Dail said: It doesn't need to be the Super League clubs to get it going. Take Johnstone Burgh for example, what would they stand to lose?.... Would have thought Rossvale and Gartcairn would be the prime suspects on this given they probably aren't as emotionally attached to junior football. Agree it's not as difficult as some people seem to think to put 8 to 10 teams together for a WoS senior league in a way that might happen given there could also be up to three Lowland League reserve teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, gogsy said: Wouldnt LTHV have to wait until official conformation that they have been licensed from the relevant SFA board? Pretty sure the SFA visited Kelty last August re licence and it was a couple of months before the relevant board finalised the license. I was going off what was on your club's official twitter about a week back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Che Dail said: It doesn't need to be the Super League clubs to get it going. Take Johnstone Burgh for example, what would they stand to lose? A rich history, cracking ground, existing youth set up, decent sized town, surely bags of potential. A move to a new structure could re-ignite interest locally and with Club Licensing and potential Scottish Cup entry you have something to build a business case to progress the club. 20 minutes from Clydebank - that's practically a derby and a decent gate right away. Add in Glasgow Uni, Strathclyde Uni, Girvan & Bonnyton? Nearly there. Kilwinning and Pollok? The Lowland league would start to get very interesting within 2 or 3 seasons. I'm talking about everyone as well, not just the top clubs in the West Region. The obvious clubs that you've mentioned due to their links with the SFA all have easier alternatives than setting up their own league, apart from BSC Reserves. Clydebank could go to the EoSFL already set up, offers prize money and other financial incentives. Girvan are already licenced and are in the top tier in the West Region. Glasgow University also have their licence and seem fairly happy in the amateur environment now that they have it. Bonnyton Thistle are already one of the strongest teams in the SoSFL, all about getting licenced for them presumably and staying put would be an easier route to the Lowland. The Lowland League was supposedly set up on 6 weeks notice as the story goes, a WoS league could certainly be done for next season with the time left. There isn't the same incentive for it as there was for the Lowland League, so I don't see the same level of motivation to get it done so quickly. Other than calling dibs on a spot in the pyramid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Would have thought Rossvale and Gartcairn would be the prime suspects on this given they probably aren't as emotionally attached to junior football. Agree it's not as difficult as some people seem to think to put 8 to 10 teams together for a WoS senior league in a way that might happen given there could also be up to three Lowland League reserve teams. 100% agree. Both clubs doing well at the top end of their leagues - this move would immediately promote them 2 and 3 tiers respectively, without having to double or triple their playing budget to progress to the top league in the Juniors. Could be a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: I'm talking about everyone as well, not just the top clubs in the West Region. The obvious clubs that you've mentioned due to their links with the SFA all have easier alternatives than setting up their own league, apart from BSC Reserves. Clydebank could go to the EoSFL already set up, offers prize money and other financial incentives. Girvan are already licenced and are in the top tier in the West Region. Glasgow University also have their licence and seem fairly happy in the amateur environment now that they have it. Bonnyton Thistle are already one of the strongest teams in the SoSFL, all about getting licenced for them presumably and staying put would be an easier route to the Lowland. The Lowland League was supposedly set up on 6 weeks notice as the story goes, a WoS league could certainly be done for next season with the time left. There isn't the same incentive for it as there was for the Lowland League, so I don't see the same level of motivation to get it done so quickly. Other than calling dibs on a spot in the pyramid. Aye, batter it through, that worked well the last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Aye, batter it through, that worked well the last time. Hasn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Hasn't hurt. It's left an anomalous divide that should have been addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Aye, batter it through, that worked well the last time. It's working now... There are over 20 weeks until the start of August - plenty time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Che Dail said: It's working now... There are over 20 weeks until the start of August - plenty time. After a fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: It's left an anomalous divide that should have been addressed. The non-SPFL Senior clubs wanted and were in place to set up a league that would finally provide them with the opportunity for promotion into the national leagues. A lot of the initial 12 had applied previously only to be rejected, this was their chance and they grabbed it without little hesitation. There was nothing to lose for them and everything to gain. There's still a divide within the Juniors because joining the SPFL has little interest to them. The SPFL side of things was never going to change, so we'd be stuck debating in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: After a fashion. Yes - setting up the Lowland League was the hard bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Che Dail said: There are some decent financial incentives for clubs in the Lowland League. This season: £12k SFA membership payment to all licensed clubs. £4k William Hill Scottish Cup R1 (minimum payment, prize money increases each round) £10k split between top 3 clubs for Community Development £10k split between top 3 clubs for 'fair play' £4k min for Irn Bru Cup entry (top 4 LL) £20k min for Betfred Cup entry (winner of LL) £50k payment from SPFL (min for promoted LL club, even if placed last in league) The biggest carrot is the Scottish Cup. Income well in excess of £100k for a good run with TV money is not an unreasonable expectation for current SL clubs if they make the switch. So even the smallest licensed clubs will earn more just for existing than Junior SL clubs can for winning the league. The pyramid is sponsored by business, the Junior cup is not. Nor it seems are the Junior leagues to any meaningful degree, otherwise there would be an appropriate level of prize money for winning them and cups. 8 years ago the SJFA could afford to support its clubs after a forced extended break, this year it can't, as reported on Saturday. The pyramid is open to everyone to join, but clubs have to do that bit themselves... you can lead a horse to water and all that. Excellent post. As money drives the world, and football, it is inevitable that a lot of Junior clubs will move across to the seniors. Club Treasurers need to smell the roses sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Che Dail said: It doesn't need to be the Super League clubs to get it going. Take Johnstone Burgh for example, what would they stand to lose? A rich history, cracking ground, existing youth set up, decent sized town, surely bags of potential. A move to a new structure could re-ignite interest locally and with Club Licensing and potential Scottish Cup entry you have something to build a business case around to progress the club. 20 minutes from Clydebank - that's practically a derby and a decent gate right away. Add in Glasgow Uni, Strathclyde Uni, Girvan & Bonnyton? Nearly there. Kilwinning and Pollok? The Lowland league would start to get very interesting within 2 or 3 seasons. And Third Lanark now that they are using a Junior ground for home games. They have established an excellent youth set up to feed their adult XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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