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46 minutes ago, Jambo'ness said:

Definitely not a closed shop as can be evidenced by the fluid membership over the years.  Clubs have come and gone regularly.

As they have in senior football, yet the pyramid is being branded as such

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On 09/02/2018 at 09:30, FairWeatherFan said:

In the Lowland League forum someone posted the rules/constitution of the League to explain their promotion/relegation. Which made me wonder if the Highland League's constituion is available online as well, and it is http://www.highlandfootballleague.com/History/Item/2017-18 SHFL Constitution & Rules approved by the AGM on 29 May 2017.pdf

Basically proves the issue that clubs are open to apply and until someone does everything else is pure speculation.

 

 

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Helpful extract from the constitution, thanks.

So not a "closed shop", but not a fluid  "pyramid" either. Promotion rules/criteria within the pyramid from the EoSL and SoSL to the Lowland are clear, whereas  promotion to the Highland League is by 'grace and favour' voting only. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Robert James said:

Helpful extract from the constitution, thanks.

So not a "closed shop", but not a fluid  "pyramid" either. Promotion rules/criteria within the pyramid from the EoSL and SoSL to the Lowland are clear, whereas  promotion to the Highland League is by 'grace and favour' voting only. 

 

The Highland League/EoSFL/SoSFL are all dependent on "grace and favour" voting. Just as entry into one of the the Junior Regions would be dependent on the same. Supposedly the BSC suggestion of a WoSFL came about from having their reserve team rejected from the Juniors.

The Highland League certainly have more requirements to meet than any of the other leagues though. As you need to have a club licence and floodlights. Floodlights being quite cost prohibitive for many, which is why they're not needed for a entry level club licence.

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There really shouldn't be a difference in requirement at tier 5. If one part insists on it then so should the other.  And that should have been the case from day 1.

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1 hour ago, HTG said:

There really shouldn't be a difference in requirement at tier 5. If one part insists on it then so should the other.  And that should have been the case from day 1.

Chances are if any club in the North received a club licence without having floodlights, they might well be able to get in with the SFA forcing the issue. At the same time it could see a North Junior or North Caledonian club go for their licence but avoid having to join the pyramid.

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2 hours ago, HTG said:

There really shouldn't be a difference in requirement at tier 5. If one part insists on it then so should the other.  And that should have been the case from day 1.

The lowest level of the pyramid in the North is tier 5. The lowest level of the pyramid in the Lowlands is tier 6. You submit an application to the lowest tier in the region your clubs is based in. One part insists on it and so does the other.

A debate about the geographical split and structure in different regions is a separate (and valid) question, but the application process at the bottom level is the same regardless of region.

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3 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

The lowest level of the pyramid in the North is tier 5. The lowest level of the pyramid in the Lowlands is tier 6. You submit an application to the lowest tier in the region your clubs is based in. One part insists on it and so does the other.

A debate about the geographical split and structure in different regions is a separate (and valid) question, but the application process at the bottom level is the same regardless of region.

Sorry but enforcing a different standard on a tier 5 applicant based on geography is nonsense. There are tier 5 teams in the south who couldn't or wouldn't be tier 5 teams in the north. 

But the current pyramid is a mish mash of bollocks so we shouldn't be surprised. The sfa never wanted it. It's the absolute minimum to shut UEFA up.

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49 minutes ago, HTG said:

Sorry but enforcing a different standard on a tier 5 applicant based on geography is nonsense. There are tier 5 teams in the south who couldn't or wouldn't be tier 5 teams in the north. 

But the current pyramid is a mish mash of bollocks so we shouldn't be surprised. The sfa never wanted it. It's the absolute minimum to shut UEFA up.

When it comes to floodlighting, the Lowland League does have a requirement that a club can provide an alternative ground for midweek fixtures.

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4 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:

When it comes to floodlighting, the Lowland League does have a requirement that a club can provide an alternative ground for midweek fixtures.

That wouldn't get you into tier 5 up north. I get the point that they're trying to be practical but the bottom line is after 5 years we still don't have an aligned standard in the pyramid. I daresay they'd be just as practical about clubs who nearly meet the LL reqts ... not. 

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1 hour ago, HTG said:

That wouldn't get you into tier 5 up north. I get the point that they're trying to be practical but the bottom line is after 5 years we still don't have an aligned standard in the pyramid. I daresay they'd be just as practical about clubs who nearly meet the LL reqts ... not. 

 

It might very well be good enough in future. Look at how Cove Rangers have used multiple grounds in a season while they deal with their issue regarding a new ground. The Highland League could adopt the same type of ruling on floodlights that the Lowland League has to deal with future applicants that don't currently have their own floodlights.

There are different versions of the Highland League's rules & constitutions from the last 5 years available on their website. That's because they aren't set in stone and are going to evolve. Both the Highland & Lowland Leagues main requirement for entry is that the clubs have a SFA Club Licence. How they deal with the issue of fixture congestion prevention through the use of floodlights differs, but the intent is the same. Neither approach is designed as a barrier to entry but as a means to minimise a fixture backlog.

 

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