Alternative visions for what an Independent Scotland could look like?

[Antlion]

Without reading the OP, is the short version that he hates ‘lefties’ and wants a future Scotland to be a far right wet dream, with as few brown faces as possible (except the good ones who service the white folks), and a hostile attitude to the ‘gays’ and the ‘trannies’?

Am I close?

[welshbairn]

6 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Without reading the OP, is the short version that he hates ‘lefties’ and wants a future Scotland to be a far right wet dream, with as few brown faces as possible (except the good ones who service the white folks), and a hostile attitude to the ‘gays’ and the ‘trannies’?

Am I close?

That's about it. And having nothing to do with that EU nonsense.

[MTB_again]

10 hours ago, welshbairn said:

The SNP Government isn't remotely hard left, it's as mainstream, centrist social democratic as you get. If they swerve to UKIP lite as the OP seems to be suggesting, Labour will sweep straight back in as the largest party and you could forget about independence for another generation.

"the OP seems to be suggesting"

I've been pretty clear that its infuriating to me that the SNP is giving a platform to the hard left, not that theyre a communist party.  These people are also the biggest stumbling block to independence, the SNP used to sell Independence on a sound economic argument and now its ideological, wonder why thats changed?  The constitutional question has been skewed into left v right politics in a way that would never have happened under Salmond,, which is making it harder and harder for somebody like me to keep voting for them, they take my vote as endorsement for liberal policies.

The elections in years to come will be interesting with the Corbyn cult, hopefully some of these elements leave the SNP just long enough to make them palatable again to regular people.

[welshbairn]

3 minutes ago, MTB_again said:

regular people

Nuff said.

[MTB_again]

Just now, welshbairn said:

Nuff said.

This reply pretty much sums up the range of debate allowed in Scotland.  Theres nothing offensive in the slightest about using the term regular people, unless youre a bleeding heart who has to be serially offended to justify wanting to be treated like a victim your whole life.

 

42 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Without reading the OP, is the short version that he hates ‘lefties’ and wants a future Scotland to be a far right wet dream, with as few brown faces as possible (except the good ones who service the white folks), and a hostile attitude to the ‘gays’ and the ‘trannies’?

Am I close?

I'm a civic nationalist, not a white nationalist, if I told you what I thought of white people I'd get banned. 

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, MTB_again said:

This reply pretty much sums up the range of debate allowed in Scotland.  Theres nothing offensive in the slightest about using the term regular people, unless youre a bleeding heart who has to be serially offended to justify wanting to be treated like a victim your whole life.

 

I'm a civic nationalist, not a white nationalist, if I told you what I thought of white people I'd get banned. 

For some reason all the "alt" right wingers on here continually use American idioms. Whether it's because they live there or spend their lives on 4chan or other American websites I don't know. "Regular people" is one such phrase.

[MTB_again]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

For some reason all the "alt" right wingers on here continually use American idioms. Whether it's because they live there or spend their lives on 4chan or other American websites I don't know. "Regular people" is one such phrase.

Sorr shuid we ainlie speak in thhe mither tongue

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, MTB_again said:

Sorr shuid we ainlie speak in thhe mither tongue

You need lessons.

[MTB_again]

1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

You need lessons.

I'm Inverness, we never spoke scots here, I whinged it rightynuff.

Normal/average/regular/common/ordinary people in Scotland have never voted for a hard left government.  I said at the start the original Labour party was necessary to address the genuine grievances of the Scottish working class and was the only genuine Socialist movement to ever gain traction in Scotland.  Over time they have remolded themselves to take up the center-left, in line with where most of their members/electorate stand, yet still left enough for the most aggressive of the Socialists to still feel like they had a vehicle for legitimacy.  That changed in the mid 2000s and in Scotland they had an alternative, many aware Labour voters jumped ship and it wasnt until then did the more hard-left loudmouths follow.  These people dont give a shit about nationhood and will climb on any bandwagon that will spread their message, many of the union leaders in Scotland were the last to flip only after their membership put pressure on them.

I just think the greens and socialists need reined in, theyre part of a larger and more important movement thats bigger than them, they see themselves as the vanguard for a coming communist utopia.

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, MTB_again said:

I'm Inverness, we never spoke scots here, I whinged it rightynuff.

Normal/average/regular/common/ordinary people in Scotland have never voted for a hard left government.  I said at the start the original Labour party was necessary to address the genuine grievances of the Scottish working class and was the only genuine Socialist movement to ever gain traction in Scotland.  Over time they have remolded themselves to take up the center-left, in line with where most of their members/electorate stand, yet still left enough for the most aggressive of the Socialists to still feel like they had a vehicle for legitimacy.  That changed in the mid 2000s and in Scotland they had an alternative, many aware Labour voters jumped ship and it wasnt until then did the more hard-left loudmouths follow.  These people dont give a shit about nationhood and will climb on any bandwagon that will spread their message, many of the union leaders in Scotland were the last to flip only after their membership put pressure on them.

I just think the greens and socialists need reined in, theyre part of a larger and more important movement thats bigger than them, they see themselves as the vanguard for a coming communist utopia.

I don't believe you live in Inverness, Scotland or the UK. You certainly know nothing about Scottish politics or "regular people godang sir!"

[Ira Gaines]

Anyone who thinks they can speak for "regular people" is an arrogant c**t right from the off anyways, so that on it's own is a good enough reason to just ignore the rest.

[MTB_again]

2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I don't believe you live in Inverness, Scotland or the UK. You certainly know nothing about Scottish politics or "regular people godang sir!"

Thats right, people with different outlooks on the world shouldnt exist

[MTB_again]

Just now, Randy Giles said:

Anyone who thinks they can speak for "regular people" is an arrogant c**t right from the off anyways, so that on it's own is a good enough reason to just ignore the rest.

So referring to non green party/socialist sympathisers as regular people is considered arrogance despite that being the vast majority of people in the country?

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, MTB_again said:

Thats right, people with different outlooks on the world shouldnt exist

Think or say whatever you want, just don't pretend to be what you're not or know what you don't. 

[Peppino Impastato]

They actually say people in Inverness speak the best English, queen's own.  I'll let someone else inform you why that is, but we're definitely not a colony oh no siree.

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

If we go through with the divorce then we need to take our share of the goodies. I don't know what is available but we should take the Falkland Islands and they can have Gibraltar. England can keep Wales and we'll take Northern Ireland. That's our colony anyway.

After all, we built the empire together, it's oor poond anaw.

[Peppino Impastato]

3 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

If we go through with the divorce then we need to take our share of the goodies. I don't know what is available but we should take the Falkland Islands and they can have Gibraltar. England can keep Wales and we'll take Northern Ireland. That's our colony anyway.

After all, we built the empire together, it's oor poond anaw.

Fk n Ireland, nobody wants that place.  We just take our share of the assets and debts.

[HeartsOfficialMoaner]

Just now, Peppino Impastato said:

Fk n Ireland, nobody wants that place.  We just take our share of the assets and debts.

Nope, we ditch the royal family and keep Northern Ireland.

That'll keep the Orange and Green amused.

The Democratic Republic of Scotland & Northern Ireland. 

[Peppino Impastato]

14 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

Nope, we ditch the royal family and keep Northern Ireland.

That'll keep the Orange and Green amused.

The Democratic Republic of Scotland & Northern Ireland. 

I could definitely get on board with getting rid of the royal family.  Not the rest though.

 

[glassnahalf]

On 10/02/2018 at 15:33, HeartsOfficialMoaner said:

 we'll take Northern Ireland. That's our colony anyway.

And there's me believing the Scots were originally an Irish tribe...