HibeeJibee Posted Wednesday at 22:15 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:15 8 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Hearts had just ended a decent campaign finishing 4th in Division One... although as Hibs finished above them this wasn't rewarded with European Fairs Cup entry (instead 5th place Dundee Utd and 7th place Kilmarnock both qualified - as 6th place Dundee also missed out) but only Texaco Cup participation I was intrigued to see how often this happened... below is comprehensive list. Note for Fairs Cup of 1960 and 1961 it may have been as only Edinburgh was a member of the trade fairs body? 1955 Hibs (5th) were invited to play in the European Cup due to their reputation in world football 1960 Hibs (7th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Dundee (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Clyde (6th) 1960 Celtic (9th) were admitted to the Anglo-Franco-Scottish Cup ahead of Ayr (8th) as Somerset Park didn't have floodlights 1961 Hearts (7th) and Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Third Lanark (3rd), Celtic (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Aberdeen (6th) 1962 champions Dundee entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League 1962 Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Kilmarnock (5th), Hearts (6th) and Partick (7th)... unclear why ? 1964 Hearts (4th) were admitted to the International Soccer League ahead of Kilmarnock (2nd) and Celtic (3rd)... unclear why ? 1965 champions Kilmarnock entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League 1967 Clyde (3rd) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Rangers (2nd) were also from Glasgow; the place went to Dundee (6th) 1970 Hearts (4th) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Hibs (3rd) were also from Edinburgh; the place went to Kilmarnock (7th) not Dundee (6th) as Dundee Utd (5th) were also from Dundee 1972 Rangers (holders) were banned from the Cup-Winners' Cup due to rioting 2009 Scotland won a Fair Play Place in the UEFA Cup and Motherwell (7th) were higher in the domestic Fair Play ranking than Dundee Utd (5th) and Hibs (6th) 2012 Rangers (2nd) were liquidated - the Champions League place went to Motherwell (3rd) and the Europa League place went to St Johnstone (6th) Note: most eligible Scottish clubs never applied to enter the Intertoto Cup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted Wednesday at 22:47 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:47 Could the reason 1960, 1961 & 1962 Fairs Cup entries be due to entry in the early days was restricted to cities that held trade fairs? Hence the Inter Cities Fairs Cup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted Wednesday at 22:48 Share Posted Wednesday at 22:48 Just now, Eednud said: Could the reason 1960, 1961 & 1962 Fairs Cup entries be due to entry in the early days was restricted to cities that held trade fairs? Hence the Inter Cities Fairs Cup. ... for Fairs Cup of 1960 and 1961 it may have been as only Edinburgh was a member of the trade fairs body? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 25th April 1959 St. Mirren 3 Aberdeen 1. A crowd of over 108k ( the last 6 figure cup final attendance with no OF involvement) saw goals from Miller, Baker (who scored in every round) and Bryceland. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago The Sunday Post the following day... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoonsYouthTeam Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 16 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: I was intrigued to see how often this happened... below is comprehensive list. Note for Fairs Cup of 1960 and 1961 it may have been as only Edinburgh was a member of the trade fairs body? 1955 Hibs (5th) were invited to play in the European Cup due to their reputation in world football 1960 Hibs (7th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Dundee (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Clyde (6th) 1960 Celtic (9th) were admitted to the Anglo-Franco-Scottish Cup ahead of Ayr (8th) as Somerset Park didn't have floodlights 1961 Hearts (7th) and Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Third Lanark (3rd), Celtic (4th), Motherwell (5th) and Aberdeen (6th) 1962 champions Dundee entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League 1962 Hibs (8th) were admitted to the Fairs Cup ahead of Kilmarnock (5th), Hearts (6th) and Partick (7th)... unclear why ? 1964 Hearts (4th) were admitted to the International Soccer League ahead of Kilmarnock (2nd) and Celtic (3rd)... unclear why ? 1965 champions Kilmarnock entered both the European Cup and the International Soccer League 1967 Clyde (3rd) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Rangers (2nd) were also from Glasgow; the place went to Dundee (6th) 1970 Hearts (4th) were not admitted to the Fairs Cup as Hibs (3rd) were also from Edinburgh; the place went to Kilmarnock (7th) not Dundee (6th) as Dundee Utd (5th) were also from Dundee 1972 Rangers (holders) were banned from the Cup-Winners' Cup due to rioting 2009 Scotland won a Fair Play Place in the UEFA Cup and Motherwell (7th) were higher in the domestic Fair Play ranking than Dundee Utd (5th) and Hibs (6th) 2012 Rangers (2nd) were liquidated - the Champions League place went to Motherwell (3rd) and the Europa League place went to St Johnstone (6th) Note: most eligible Scottish clubs never applied to enter the Intertoto Cup I've never heard of the International Soccer League. By being Scotland's first entrants, can we blame Dundee for the Champions League? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 18 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: 1955 Hibs (5th) were invited to play in the European Cup due to their reputation in world football As 1954/55 League Champions, Aberdeen were screwed over in favour of 5th placed Hibs, who finished 15 points behind us. Given that Hibs got to the semi final of the European Cup, it is very possible that Aberdeen would have won the first ever competition, and put Celtic’s gas at a peep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Scotia Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago When Aberdeen reached the cup winners cup final in Gothenburg apparently Alex Ferguson invited both Jock Stein and Jim McLean as guests to the game. I don't know how true this is but there is apparently a photo out there of both Stein and McLean at the game both shouting out 'orders/support' Does anyone have any info on this at all? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithers Jones Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 8 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: 25th April 1959 St. Mirren 3 Aberdeen 1. A crowd of over 108k ( the last 6 figure cup final attendance with no OF involvement) saw goals from Miller, Baker (who scored in every round) and Bryceland. Never realised how enormous the badge on the 59 strip was before 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 19 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: 2012 Rangers (2nd) were liquidated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Spencer Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago I read in a book by Bob Crampsey (years ago) that the original invitation to the European Cup came to the SFA whose President was from Hibs (Harry Swan?). Swan pushed Hibs forward while Aberdeen (Champions) were either not too fussed or gazumped by the President! It was unclear if the competition would take off or fizzle out (per Crampsey) so many countries didn't bother entering. Once Real Madrid started showing their class it did take off and the Inter Cities Fairs Trophy started - Birmingham and London entered teams made up of players from various clubs in their cities (Birmingham reached a final I think). Eventually having only cities with Fairs was stopped to allow anyone to enter and European Football headed towards what we have today........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago (edited) Entry into inaugural European Cup was by invitation, indeed R1 was arranged (not drawn)... only 7 of 16 clubs were champions. Hibs were a well-known touring side, and floodlight pioneer... by 1955 they'd toured every closed season since WWII - Germany several times, Norway, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, France, Czechoslovakia; been 1 of 2 sides from Europe for Octagonal Cup in Brazil (alongside Sporting Lisbon); reached Coronation Cup Final; helped found Anglo-Scottish Floodlight League; plus hosted Sparta Prague, Frem Copenhagen, and Rapid Vienna in a famous 'Festival of Britain' match. 9 hours ago, LoonsYouthTeam said: I've never heard of the International Soccer League. By being Scotland's first entrants, can we blame Dundee for the Champions League? It was a short-lived competition based in North America... it was very financially lucrative so for a few seasons in early 1960s place went to the league runner-up, ahead of the Fairs Cup places, if the champion didn't double-up participation with the European Cup. Kilmarnock provided our best performance in 1960 when they topped a section involving Burnley, Bayern Munich, Nice, Glenavon and New York Americans before losing Final to Bangu of Brazil. Following season they faced Bangu, Everton, Karlsruher, Dynamo Bucharest, Besiktas, NYA and Montreal Concordia. Edited 3 hours ago by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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