kenny131 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Robert James said: Is this the whisky talking from Pyramid devotees, or "chatter" led by the Old Firm to promote their player development through to elevation to the SPFL ? Can't see Rangers & Celtic settling for a tier 6 league below the Lowland. Even if the "chatter" has any credibility, we are already in the second half of January, and interested Junior Clubs would need more time to have committee meetings, consult with fans, consider the impact on players, etc. Also, are the SJFC aware of this ? Not enough time for next season, and the absence of leaks from any West junior clubs clubs, suggests this is fake news. (Don't let Donald Trump know). It's not fake news and it is happening it may not be next season but it's happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Dunc the drunk said: Dalkeith were hammered in a play off a few seasons back by a poor Kelty team . All this nonsense because Kelty in turn buy there way to a couple of Super League titles, Tam Courts gets hailed the new Bill Shankly and are too big for the juniors. Third Lanark anyone? You're wrong about Kelty being poor, they were a strong side and a very good club at that point too. The league table doesn't lie, but look at the fixtures towards the end of that season, 2 games within a week including a draw with Boness and 1-0 loss to Camelon... leaving Carnoustie with a target to hit over 4 games. 1 point would have taken Kelty 3 places up the league, finishing above the now defunct Ballingry. As for the playoff, Dalkeith had to wait about 2 or 3 weeks without a competitive fixture before the game. Ah, the glorious Juniors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Unknown Fan said: Your source for that? This season if Cove get promoted and Cowden, Clyde or Edinburgh get relegated then 2 go down from LL to respective leagues anyway. It was my best mates neighbour, his brother in law told him. Sounds like it could happen this season by default, and possibly next season to facilitate the WoS league if that gets off the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I know things aren't easy at Ibrox but ffs the fans forums are discussing the Teddy Bears getting into bed with the Juniors. hee hee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Dunc the drunk said: What’s the point in me repeating the benefits of junior Football that many others before me have already stated. Dalkeith are no giants, they were hammered in a play off a few seasons back by a poor Kelty team . All this nonsense because Kelty in turn buy there way to a couple of Super League titles, Tam Courts gets hailed the new Bill Shankly and are too big for the juniors. Third Lanark anyone? The core of that Kelty team that fought off relegation was the same as the one that then won the title, additions were minimal! Jealous much...... Everyone loves to have a pop at teams that are successful and most of the time I have no idea why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc the drunk Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 58 minutes ago, Che Dail said: You're wrong about Kelty being poor, they were a strong side and a very good club at that point too. The league table doesn't lie, but look at the fixtures towards the end of that season, 2 games within a week including a draw with Boness and 1-0 loss to Camelon... leaving Carnoustie with a target to hit over 4 games. 1 point would have taken Kelty 3 places up the league, finishing above the now defunct Ballingry. As for the playoff, Dalkeith had to wait about 2 or 3 weeks without a competitive fixture before the game. Ah, the glorious Juniors! Was it your best mates neighbour that told you winning 5 games from 30 and finishing 3rd bottom some 46 points behind Bo’ness is a strong side? As for the play-off , surely having 3 weeks to prepare, opposed to just having played 2 games in a week is an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 hours ago, GordonS said: The ceiling for Junior teams is winning the Champions League. Think about it. Anyway, Newton Stewart weren't suddenly elevated in status just because the SPFL opened up a play-off. All it means is that they are in the lowest echelons of a pyramid, while there are clearly many very superior clubs not in that pyramid. It's a matter of fact, not opinion, that they are parallel. You could only argue against that if you could say that Tier 6 was better than the top of the Juniors. Would you like to try to make that case? No, you think about it. Using the English pyramid as a model, it would be correct to say that Burton Albion have climbed up to Championship level from non-league. Whilst unlikely, at the moment, they could at one point end up in the Premiership & qualify for Europe. If you don't want to embrace new ideas keep your head firmly buried in the sand. It has been explained before that a period of natural settlement would take place in a pyramid. Until then, any club would have to admit they were lower not parallel. In simple parlance, it's called working your way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Dunc the drunk said: Was it your best mates neighbour that told you winning 5 games from 30 and finishing 3rd bottom some 46 points behind Bo’ness is a strong side? No I just used my own judgement for that which was proved right as they won the super league the following season. Your attack on Thomas Courts though... where to start? Been at the club over 10 years including time as a player, cutting his teeth as manager and keeping them in the league in his first season. They'd spent a lot of cash sorting out drainage and other issues at the ground that year, hence the pressures on the playing side. After that, if there's a manager with a better record right now in East Region non-league football let us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 54 minutes ago, Che Dail said: No I just used my own judgement for that which was proved right as they won the super league the following season. Your attack on Thomas Courts though... where to start? Been at the club over 10 years including time as a player, cutting his teeth as manager and keeping them in the league in his first season. They'd spent a lot of cash sorting out drainage and other issues at the ground that year, hence the pressures on the playing side. After that, if there's a manager with a better record right now in East Region non-league football let us know. I'll answer that - there isn't :-) All spot on and well said. Dunc is very clearly...drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc the drunk Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Che Dail said: No I just used my own judgement for that which was proved right as they won the super league the following season. Easy to say after the event. 1 hour ago, Che Dail said: Your attack on Thomas Courts though... where to start? Been at the club over 10 years including time as a player, cutting his teeth as manager and keeping them in the league in his first season. They'd spent a lot of cash sorting out drainage and other issues at the ground that year, hence the pressures on the playing side. After that, if there's a manager with a better record right now in East Region non-league football let us know. My comments were not an attack on Thomas Courts. He took over and saved them from what looked like certain relegation although the squad he inherited were clearly capable of better but obviously not playing for a manager who thought he was bigger than the club. Kudos to the committee for taking the appropriate action when they did. Since then though it cannot be denied they have bought the Super League title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Glenconner said: I know things aren't easy at Ibrox but ffs the fans forums are discussing the Teddy Bears getting into bed with the Juniors. hee hee. Aye, but are you a Catholic Junior or a Protestant Junior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc the drunk Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, leomessi1984 said: I'll answer that - there isn't :-) All spot on and well said. Dunc is very clearly...drunk Right now? Oh yes there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Dunc the drunk said: Right now? Oh yes there is. ...consults whatsapp groups, neighbours, cousins, best mate and lesser mates, in-laws... And the answer is.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, Dunc the drunk said: Right now? Oh yes there is. Why not name them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc the drunk Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, Che Dail said: ...consults whatsapp groups, neighbours, cousins, best mate and lesser mates, in-laws... And the answer is.....? No I just used my own judgement and after checking facts and figures am proved right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dunc the drunk said: No I just used my own judgement and after checking facts and figures am proved right. Proved right but cannot actually name said facts, figures or persons..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunc the drunk Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, leomessi1984 said: Why not name them? 1 This is an adult debate, I won’t get involved with your childish “my dads bigger than your dad” 2 Would be off topic, the thread is about Dalkeith not Kelty who according to my best mates neighbour are no longer enjoying junior football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dunc the drunk said: 1 This is an adult debate, I won’t get involved with your childish “my dads bigger than your dad” 2 Would be off topic, the thread is about Dalkeith not Kelty who according to my best mates neighbour are no longer enjoying junior football. 1) Your best mates neighbour is well informed. 2) An adult debate is most certainly one that contains facts, figures and standing by your opinion when you actually state it. Not hiding behind contrite snipes. 3) Pretty sure it was you who first brought Kelty into the debate with your criticism of their spending 4) Debate clearly over.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Aye, mon boays, wrap it noo, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac25 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No, you think about it. Using the English pyramid as a model, it would be correct to say that Burton Albion have climbed up to Championship level from non-league. Whilst unlikely, at the moment, they could at one point end up in the Premiership & qualify for Europe. If you don't want to embrace new ideas keep your head firmly buried in the sand. It has been explained before that a period of natural settlement would take place in a pyramid. Until then, any club would have to admit they were lower not parallel. In simple parlance, it's called working your way up. Wigan athletic got promoted to the football league in 1978, ended up in the premiership and won the fa cup in 2013 qualifying for Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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