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Interesting results, seems to ally with the level of outrage/care devoted to modern events/atrocities - geographical proximity is a large factor.
Given this, Stalin polled higher than I though he would, but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology, considerably beyond the level and scope of evil that Hitler accomplished.


Away to f**k.

Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race.

The racist ideology matters in this case.
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3 hours ago, pandarilla said:

 


Away to f**k.

Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race.

The racist ideology matters in this case.

 

Tell that to the Ukrainians.......

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10 hours ago, pandarilla said:

Away to f**k.

Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race.

The racist ideology matters in this case.

 

1. Jews aren't a race.

2.  Hitler wasn't trying to eradicate a whole 'race', he was trying to cleanse Germany into a (somewhat) 'faultless' (somewhat) Aryan empire. Gypsies, gays, Slavs, mentally disabled, etc. got it too as groups.

3. Someone trying to eradicate a whole 'race' doesn't encourage and allow emigration of said race out of the country in the years leading up to a holocaust.

Anyone and everyone was fair game under Soviet rule.

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16 hours ago, banana said:

Interesting results, seems to ally with the level of outrage/care devoted to modern events/atrocities - geographical proximity is a large factor.

Given this, Stalin polled higher than I though he would, but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology, considerably beyond the level and scope of evil that Hitler accomplished.

Just because somebody decides that Hitler was worse does not mean they thought Stalin was a really nice guy.

You could argue that the threat from the Soviet menace persuaded a lot of Germans to go for Hitler when they should have known better.

However, a key factor against Hitler is that he took a fairly civilised country and turned it into a very uncivilised country.
By comparison, Stalin may have been truly evil but so were a lot of Russian rulers before him and maybe life in the Soviet Union would have been just as brutal with somebody else in charge.

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16 hours ago, banana said:

but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology

Is there really? 66 people on a Scottish football forum have voted on this, some taking the piss with their answers as well. Do you really believe this poll shows problems with our education system?

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2 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

Just because somebody decides that Hitler was worse does not mean they thought Stalin was a really nice guy.

You could argue that the threat from the Soviet menace persuaded a lot of Germans to go for Hitler when they should have known better.

However, a key factor against Hitler is that he took a fairly civilised country and turned it into a very uncivilised country.
By comparison, Stalin may have been truly evil but so were a lot of Russian rulers before him and maybe life in the Soviet Union would have been just as brutal with somebody else in charge.

I'm not suggesting that anyone here thinks Stalin was a really nice guy, more the ignorance as to the level and scope of depravity of the Soviet regime. Completely agree about the Soviet menace helping Hitler - any totalitarian regime needs an enemy to direct the ire of the people.

The last ~150 of Russian history is indeed absolutely fascinating, and utterly brutal in different respects regardless of who was in control. Same goes for the changes China went through as the dynasty era was coming to an end, up to Mao's exit.

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7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Is there really? 66 people on a Scottish football forum have voted on this, some taking the piss with their answers as well. Do you really believe this poll shows problems with our education system?

I've already answered this in part - outrage/knowledge is to a certain degree a function of geographical proximity.

Yes, as far as I can tell the education system is doing the opposite of educating on the dangers of ideological possession.

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1 minute ago, banana said:

Yes, as far as I can tell the education system is doing the opposite of educating on the dangers of ideological possession.

Funny that, most folk on here seem fairly well educated on Hitler's ideological possession and the dangers that brought. 

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17 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Funny that, most folk on here seem fairly well educated on Hitler's ideological possession and the dangers that brought. 

Evidently not as well as they should be (see above).

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9 minutes ago, sjc said:

Mein Kampf.......although that was more of an audiobook TBF.

Everyone knows that one. It contained most of his biggest hits such as "The Struggle With The Red Front" and "Personality and Conception of the Volkisch State".

I prefer "Annihilate All Untermensch" myself. It was alot heavier and less commercialised than his post-Munich Putsch work.

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