pandarilla Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Interesting results, seems to ally with the level of outrage/care devoted to modern events/atrocities - geographical proximity is a large factor. Given this, Stalin polled higher than I though he would, but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology, considerably beyond the level and scope of evil that Hitler accomplished. Away to f**k. Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race.The racist ideology matters in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, pandarilla said: Away to f**k. Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race. The racist ideology matters in this case. Tell that to the Ukrainians....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 hours ago, pandarilla said: Away to f**k. Yes he wiped out millions but he wasn't trying to eradicate a whole race. The racist ideology matters in this case. 1. Jews aren't a race. 2. Hitler wasn't trying to eradicate a whole 'race', he was trying to cleanse Germany into a (somewhat) 'faultless' (somewhat) Aryan empire. Gypsies, gays, Slavs, mentally disabled, etc. got it too as groups. 3. Someone trying to eradicate a whole 'race' doesn't encourage and allow emigration of said race out of the country in the years leading up to a holocaust. Anyone and everyone was fair game under Soviet rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Jesus Christ. Self-imposed ignorance is some drug. From the US Holocaust Memorial Museum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1. Jews aren't a race. Someone should have told Hitler that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 hours ago, banana said: Interesting results, seems to ally with the level of outrage/care devoted to modern events/atrocities - geographical proximity is a large factor. Given this, Stalin polled higher than I though he would, but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology, considerably beyond the level and scope of evil that Hitler accomplished. Just because somebody decides that Hitler was worse does not mean they thought Stalin was a really nice guy. You could argue that the threat from the Soviet menace persuaded a lot of Germans to go for Hitler when they should have known better. However, a key factor against Hitler is that he took a fairly civilised country and turned it into a very uncivilised country. By comparison, Stalin may have been truly evil but so were a lot of Russian rulers before him and maybe life in the Soviet Union would have been just as brutal with somebody else in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 16 hours ago, banana said: but still a long way to go to educate people as to the horrors of the Soviet Union and its ideology Is there really? 66 people on a Scottish football forum have voted on this, some taking the piss with their answers as well. Do you really believe this poll shows problems with our education system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Just because somebody decides that Hitler was worse does not mean they thought Stalin was a really nice guy. You could argue that the threat from the Soviet menace persuaded a lot of Germans to go for Hitler when they should have known better. However, a key factor against Hitler is that he took a fairly civilised country and turned it into a very uncivilised country. By comparison, Stalin may have been truly evil but so were a lot of Russian rulers before him and maybe life in the Soviet Union would have been just as brutal with somebody else in charge. I'm not suggesting that anyone here thinks Stalin was a really nice guy, more the ignorance as to the level and scope of depravity of the Soviet regime. Completely agree about the Soviet menace helping Hitler - any totalitarian regime needs an enemy to direct the ire of the people. The last ~150 of Russian history is indeed absolutely fascinating, and utterly brutal in different respects regardless of who was in control. Same goes for the changes China went through as the dynasty era was coming to an end, up to Mao's exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Is there really? 66 people on a Scottish football forum have voted on this, some taking the piss with their answers as well. Do you really believe this poll shows problems with our education system? I've already answered this in part - outrage/knowledge is to a certain degree a function of geographical proximity. Yes, as far as I can tell the education system is doing the opposite of educating on the dangers of ideological possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, banana said: Yes, as far as I can tell the education system is doing the opposite of educating on the dangers of ideological possession. Funny that, most folk on here seem fairly well educated on Hitler's ideological possession and the dangers that brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Funny that, most folk on here seem fairly well educated on Hitler's ideological possession and the dangers that brought. Evidently not as well as they should be (see above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 47 minutes ago, banana said: Evidently not as well as they should be (see above). Your evidence is posts on a Scottish football forum. It is not evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Bold attempting to rehabilitate Hitler's image. Intrigued to see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Bold attempting to rehabilitate Hitler's image. Intrigued to see where it goes. I sure do like pumpkins, Cotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I can see now that it is really all the jews fault for not just moving to another continent. My eyes are open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, itzdrk said: I can see now that it is really all the jews fault for not just moving to another continent. My eyes are open. They were givien fair chance to move, any who didn't were asking for the gas chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 They were givien fair chance to move, any who didn't were asking for the gas chamber. Very selfish of those with children to stay, typical jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Oh, you people like Hitler? Name one of his albums then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: Oh, you people like Hitler? Name one of his albums then. Mein Kampf.......although that was more of an audiobook TBF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, sjc said: Mein Kampf.......although that was more of an audiobook TBF. Everyone knows that one. It contained most of his biggest hits such as "The Struggle With The Red Front" and "Personality and Conception of the Volkisch State". I prefer "Annihilate All Untermensch" myself. It was alot heavier and less commercialised than his post-Munich Putsch work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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