whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, ayrmad said: It's obviously ok to hit other peoples kids if they push your buttons. Never thought of it like that. It's a good point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Can we combine this pish with the Pregnancy & Parenting thread, where you can discuss how best to chastise your dull, ugly weans to your heart's content? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: None of that says anything about the “effect” of the laws. That tells you about associations between support for smacking and the law by jurisdiction. You are assuming that because there is a relationship between 2 variables (the law and attitudes to smacking) that one causes the other. There is absolutely no evidence put forward for that In what you’ve cut and pasted that the change in the law has led to attitudes changing. The attitudes to smacking g could have led to the change in the law or else some other factor could link the 2. Correlation does not equal causation. It also tells us absolute nothing about the impact of smacking on kids and I’ve not seen anyone present any specific examples of the detrimental impact thus far. As has been said earlier, there are a number of situations that can have an impact on kids. I wonder how many of those that are quick to condemn a bit of corporal punishment on a child would happily threaten or commit violence to another adult in front of children. That cretin at the Everton game springs to mind but you see guys behaving appallingly at football bawling, swearing and threatening all sorts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Can we combine this pish with the Pregnancy & Parenting thread, where you can discuss how best to chastise your dull, ugly weans to your heart's content? Nah, there's some amount of pishy minutiae posted on there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Are you threatening to hit Jimmy? And here's one of the pontificating ones.To clarify, no. I can't seem to find the time to hunt down people who've been rude to me on the internet these days. So time consuming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: And here's one of the pontificating ones. To clarify, no. I can't seem to find the time to hunt down people who've been rude to me on the internet these days. So time consuming. Another downside to kids eh ? Taking up your valuable revenge time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: As mentioned in previous posts, I don't think smacking is the way to go. However, I can see scenarios where parents may do it. Sleep deprivation definitely didn't enhance my parenting skills. I don't doubt it. That's I why I support these changes as one part of a suite of tools to help parents. 16 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: None of that says anything about the “effect” of the laws. That tells you about associations between support for smacking and the law by jurisdiction. You are assuming that because there is a relationship between 2 variables (the law and attitudes to smacking) that one causes the other. There is absolutely no evidence put forward for that In what you’ve cut and pasted that the change in the law has led to attitudes changing. The attitudes to smacking g could have led to the change in the law or else some other factor could link the 2. Correlation does not equal causation. You really are thick as f**k. The easy read executive summary I posted there clearly isn't the entirety of the body of work. You will have noticed my cut and paste has citations in it which the casual reader would assume would link to the primary studies on the efficacy of legislation in changing attitudes. Even if you didn't grasp that the text itself states that the studies took place across numerous comparator sites so your "correlation =/= causation" statement is bollocks. I admire your confidence though in dismissing an international study of academic work by the WHO, UNICEF etc However, as you are clearly keen to get to the primary sources you can find them starting on p33 here including the Swedish case study referenced some pages ago. Let me know how you get on http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2016/new-strategies-violence-children/en/ Edited October 22, 2017 by invergowrie arab 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, chomp my root said: As has been said earlier, there are a number of situations that can have an impact on kids. I wonder how many of those that are quick to condemn a bit of corporal punishment on a child would happily threaten or commit violence to another adult in front of children. That cretin at the Everton game springs to mind but you see guys behaving appallingly at football bawling, swearing and threatening all sorts. If it helps I think they are as bad and as damaging as each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 You really are thick as f**k. The easy read executive summary I posted there clearly isn't the entirety of the body of work. You will have noticed my cut and paste has citations in it which the casual reader would assume would link to the primary studies on the efficacy of legislation in changing attitudes. Even if you didn't grasp that the text itself states that the studies took place across numerous comparator sites so your "correlation =/= causation" statement is bollocks. I admire your confidence though in dismissing an international study of academic work by the WHO, UNICEF etc However, as you are clearly keen to get to the primary sources you can find them starting on p33 here including the Swedish case study referenced some pages ago. Let me know how you get onhttp://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2016/new-strategies-violence-children/en/ That the same World Health Organisation that thought it was a good idea to appoint Robert Mugabe as a good will ambassador last week? Sound judgment [emoji106] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If it helps I think they are as bad and as damaging as each other. You think it’s damaging for a child to hear men bawling and shouting at the football? God almighty what a Wee sensitive soul you must be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: That the same World Health Organisation that thought it was a good idea to appoint Robert Mugabe as a good will ambassador last week? Sound judgment That decision was an insult to humanity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: I don't doubt it. That's I why I support these changes as one part of a suite of tools to help parents. You really are thick as f**k. The easy read executive summary I posted there clearly isn't the entirety of the body of work. You will have noticed my cut and paste has citations in it which the casual reader would assume would link to the primary studies on the efficacy of legislation in changing attitudes. Even if you didn't grasp that the text itself states that the studies took place across numerous comparator sites so your "correlation =/= causation" statement is bollocks. I admire your confidence though in dismissing an international study of academic work by the WHO, UNICEF etc However, as you are clearly keen to get to the primary sources you can find them starting on p33 here including the Swedish case study referenced some pages ago. Let me know how you get on http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/notes/2016/new-strategies-violence-children/en/ He does seem thick but to be fair to him I gloss over your drab legal posts as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Using sleep deprivation and stress as a justification for doing something you think is wrong? Stress and tiredness make people want to do all sorts of things they stop themselves from doing because they know it's wrong. It might explain why people do things but it doesn't justify them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Jmothecat2 said: Using sleep deprivation and stress as a justification for doing something you think is wrong? Stress and tiredness make people want to do all sorts of things they stop themselves from doing because they know it's wrong. It might explain why people do things but it doesn't justify them. I don't think it's justifiable either but I don't see any posts justifying it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, whiskychimp said: He does seem thick but to be fair to him I gloss over your drab legal posts as well We're you not demanding precise legal definitions of assault from PMS the other night? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: You think it’s damaging for a child to hear men bawling and shouting at the football? God almighty what a Wee sensitive soul you must be. I think children seeing their parents engage in violence or threaten violence to other adults is detrimental to their perceptions of violence. I don't see that in any way controversial. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: We're you not demanding precise legal definitions of assault from PMS the other night? Don't remember doing that. Plus, even if I did, his delivery isn't anywhere near as drab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Anti- smacking brigade: Should you be able to place your child in a state of fear or alarm by shouting at them? Does fear inducing behaviour not have a “detrimental impact” upon development? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Moar delicious posts, plz. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/a-dad-said-he-banished-his-3-year-old-as-punishment-police-may-have-just-found-her-body/ar-AAtVlBt?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=HPCOMMDHP15 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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