Bobby Skidmarks Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, whiskychimp said: Read back to see me explain, in depth, what the point is. "Your skin isnt as soft....." Dear lord, shes not made of filo pastry. Your scenario was laughable, I was being gentle. I have read it, and your "tap" is utterly pointless. Other than for her to fear the threat of your hand for when she does something bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, whiskychimp said: Depends on your opinion. I'd say the tap has become a criminal offence because, to me, it is a smack. Where are you seeing that a "smack" has become a criminal offence? It doesnt depend on your opinion it depends on well established case law. If i tap you on the shoulder or punch you on the shoulder one is an assault and one is not . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennboy1978 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Read back to see me explain, in depth, what the point is. "Your skin isnt as soft....." Dear lord, shes not made of filo pastry. You'd better watch, you'll be accused of cannibalism next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, Bobby Skidmarks said: Your scenario was laughable, I was being gentle. I have read it, and your "tap" is utterly pointless. Other than for her to fear the threat of your hand for when she does something bad. You read the wrong bit. Try again. An escalation of the telling off. She gets shocked by it. It works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bobby Skidmarks said: Your scenario was laughable, I was being gentle. I have read it, and your "tap" is utterly pointless. Other than for her to fear the threat of your hand for when she does something bad. It'll be just as pointless as the other painless methods then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, invergowrie arab said: Where are you seeing that a "smack" has become a criminal offence? It doesnt depend on your opinion it depends on well established case law. If i tap you on the shoulder or punch you on the shoulder one is an assault and one is not . Anyway, the topic was smacking ban. I call a tap a smack and therefore I see it as being banned. Your legal blah de blah holds no interest to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB 4.2 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 whiskychimp having the mare of all mare's here. Imagine trying to defend a position where it's cool to strike a young child. In 20 years time this kinda shit will be laughed at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Wow A lot of posturing going on in this thread. I am a relatively new parent. My son is 14 mths old and I don't plan on ever raising my hand to him. I am not naïve enough to think however, that I won't ever do it. I am also in the 'never done me any harm' camp as far as the discipline I received growing up. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I would be a lot worse off if I didn't get a smack growing up. I was an only child and I was an argumentative little c**t as far back as I can remember. I was insolent and antagonistic, went through a spree of shoplifting, got in fights at school, took recreational drugs at an early age, etc.. etc. I grew up in a single parent family and my mother wasn't equipped for that. She loved me and cared for me every day of my life and she was my best friend. By the time I was in my late teens I told my Mum everything. She regularly gave me a slap when I was out of line. I honestly can't remember an instance when she went over the score or I didn't deserve it. She wasn't perfect but she did what she thought was best. She worked two jobs and didn't have much time for herself. She was a fucking saint. If you think you are doing well as a parent then you are probably failing as a parent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, PB 4.2 said: whiskychimp having the mare of all mare's here. Imagine trying to defend a position where it's cool to strike a young child. In 20 years time this kinda shit will be laughed at. It's always the same handful of dicks that come out with that patter, I've not witnessed this mare myself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, whiskychimp said: Anyway, the topic was smacking ban. I call a tap a smack and therefore I see it as being banned. Your legal blah de blah holds no interest to me. Fucking hell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: BTW I find I would find it very difficult to argue that the aim of smacking isn't to cause an amount of pain. Pain was what made me want to avoid it, and if no pain is inflicted then the child is none the wiser it is being disciplined. Not buying that tbh. I don't think you'd need to inflict pain on a nappy wearing youngster to have the desired effect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: I am also in the 'never done me any harm' camp I was an argumentative little c**t as far back as I can remember. I was insolent and antagonistic, went through a spree of shoplifting, got in fights at school, took recreational drugs at an early age, etc.. etc. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, PB 4.2 said: whiskychimp having the mare of all mare's here. Imagine trying to defend a position where it's cool to strike a young child. In 20 years time this kinda shit will be laughed at. Depends on how you look at it, he's 'showing his workings', you might not agree with him but that doesn't mean he's having eh "mare of all mare's here", your 'workings' have been a bit tardy, take a leaf out of Invergowrie Arabs book and add something to the.... whatever this is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: I pushed everything to the limit. She tried many lines in the sand before she gave me a crack. That was the only thing that worked. As has been said on here many times, it's a last resort. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, The Equalizer said: I pushed everything to the limit. She tried many lines in the sand before she gave me a crack. That was the only thing that worked. As has been said on here many times, it's a last resort. For me its down to choice/situation. Nobody wants to lay a hand on their kid, sometimes for whatever reason it will happen. As long as its proportionate then 'no foul'. Not ideal but not many of us live in that world anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: I pushed everything to the limit. She tried many lines in the sand before she gave me a crack. That was the only thing that worked. As has been said on here many times, it's a last resort. He's stating that the smacks caused the rest, my son didn't get smacked, took no notice of any consequences and was basically a nightmare for a decade, sometimes I've wondered if a good smacking wouldn't have made a difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, ayrmad said: He's stating that the smacks caused the rest, my son didn't get smacked, took no notice of any consequences and was basically a nightmare for a decade, sometimes I've wondered if a good smacking wouldn't have made a difference. I understand that. I was just trying to put a salient description of my experience across. There's enough reactionary rhetoric on this thread already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Equalizer said: I pushed everything to the limit. She tried many lines in the sand before she gave me a crack. That was the only thing that worked. As has been said on here many times, it's a last resort. Ach i'm only joking - it was just an amusing juxtaposition 7 minutes ago, ayrmad said: He's stating that the smacks caused the rest, my son didn't get smacked, took no notice of any consequences and was basically a nightmare for a decade, sometimes I've wondered if a good smacking wouldn't have made a difference. I am not stating anything "caused" anything I was just mucking about. Of course it is incontrovertible that violence in childhood, particularly in pre 5s is a major indicator of future criminality Edited October 20, 2017 by invergowrie arab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Just now, invergowrie arab said: Ach i'm only joking - it was just an amusing juxtaposition I am not stating anything "caused" anything I was just mucking about. Of course it is incontrovertible that violence in childhood, particularly in pre 5s is a majt indicator of future criminality And I wouldn't argue against that for a second, I don't get anyone that knocks a kid around but I don't really think that anyone on here is saying anything different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Equalizer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Ach i'm only joking - it was just an amusing juxtaposition I am not stating anything "caused" anything I was just mucking about. Of course it is incontrovertible that violence in childhood, particularly in pre 5s is a major indicator of future criminality I thought it was just tongue in cheek tbh. Violence breeds violence, the abused becomes the abuser. I understand and agree with all that, there is evidence to support it but there is a difference between being regularly buggered and getting a backhander when you have tested your parents patience to the limit. Incidentally if anyone told me my mother was a bad parent they'd be leaving with their teeth in their hands but that's probably only because I was smacked growing up and I don't know any different. Edited October 20, 2017 by The Equalizer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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