SilverWolfe Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Surely we can build football/Education Academy's where we can hire the best available coaches and school teachers. A school where the most gifted kids get to train and play football with qualified coaches and still get to be educated by qualified teachers. The same way that a school like Douglas Academy is the Music school where gifted musicians spend more time on their music instead of shite subjects that don't matter. Have 20 young boys in each year and have them do the basic subjects like Maths, English, Sciences, a language etc but give them 3/4 hours of football every day. And ffs teach them to stay away from Alcohol when they turn 12 and drill some self belief into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, GiGi said: That has to be a total non starter. Apart from the huge cost of putting every PE teacher through their badges, paying them more money and the fact they might not actually want to do it, football is not the only sport taught in school. There's more than enough arseholes with coaching badges without adding teachers to the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Surely we can build football/Education Academy's where we can hire the best available coaches and school teachers. A school where the most gifted kids get to train and play football with qualified coaches and still get to be educated by qualified teachers. The same way that a school like Douglas Academy is the Music school where gifted musicians spend more time on their music instead of shite subjects that don't matter. Have 20 young boys in each year and have them do the basic subjects like Maths, English, Sciences, a language etc but give them 3/4 hours of football every day. And ffs teach them to stay away from Alcohol when they turn 12 and drill some self belief into them. Never thought I'd see my old school cropping up on a thread about Scottish football reform tbh.I'm fairly school that elite performance schools for football already exist - don't they? Rangers also have a partnership with Boclair Academy for example, and they run in a similar way to the Music school at Dougie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, Sonsteam of 08 said: Never thought I'd see my old school cropping up on a thread about Scottish football reform tbh. I'm fairly school that elite performance schools for football already exist - don't they? Rangers also have a partnership with Boclair Academy for example, and they run in a similar way to the Music school at Dougie. Yes, I suppose they do exist as a relationship between school and club, Celtic also use St Ninian's in Kirky . I'd rather see us build 4 or 5 schools designed mainly for football with all the required state of the art facilities rather than just having a relationship with a school. An actual football Academy where the kids can also learn but the main focus being on football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrebleTwenty Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Out walking the dog Saturday. The local under 15's game. I stood and watched for 30 minutes. It was hoof ball, nobody wanted the ball, i never seen one bit of skill, no composure, sliced kicks, poor first touch. The subs? standing freezing. 2 big headed know it all coaches who will probably favour family members and family friends kids screaming god knows what, parents on the side-lines, giving false hope to there kids about playing for Man Utd and Chelsea one day. Only for the kids to hang about a street corner getting pissed and acting hard at night because its cool. And when its all said and done, its back to mammy and daddy getting molly cuddled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Scotland have always had bigger problems than just the manager, I don't think we've ever really had a squad which had a lot of talent or real depth to replace players who get injured. This is because the SFA don't do enough to develop youth talent, develop coaches to work with them or even to advise them in what is a difficult career for youngsters to get into. That said, Dunning was correct a few pages back. Whilst we don't have a great pool of players to choose from, that isn't why we haven't qualified for ages. We can't raise our game when we need to, we lose or draw against teams we need to beat, last night was an great example, why sit back and give them utter control of the ball as we did in the second half. Those are questions for the manager and things he ought to be changig at the time - not blaming it on us being a country of dwarves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, forameus said: There isn't really much to add to this, as it's already 100% spot on. The blame for every campaign for years now, as you've just demonstrated, is purely down to consistently beating the teams in the pots below us. It's not a last gasp draw with Poland or Slovenia. It's not letting Harry Kane equalise. It isn't anything other than shite results like getting beat in Tbilisi or not breaking down Lithuania. If we break that habit, we qualify. I generally agree with Dunning's piece but saying that letting in a 93rd minute equaliser to drop 2 points against England wasn't as damaging as dropping 2 points by not beating Lithuania is just wrong. They contributed as much as each other to us not qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, Tartantony said: Surely we can build football/Education Academy's where we can hire the best available coaches and school teachers. A school where the most gifted kids get to train and play football with qualified coaches and still get to be educated by qualified teachers. The same way that a school like Douglas Academy is the Music school where gifted musicians spend more time on their music instead of shite subjects that don't matter. Have 20 young boys in each year and have them do the basic subjects like Maths, English, Sciences, a language etc but give them 3/4 hours of football every day. And ffs teach them to stay away from Alcohol when they turn 12 and drill some self belief into them. As is noted elsewhere in the thread, this already exists: Every time there is a Youth squad announced by the SFA, they note the PS pupils. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1957&newsCategoryID=6&newsID=17116 http://www.performance.scottishfa.co.uk/ Quote Performance School Locations Hazlehead Academy (Aberdeen), St John's High School (Dundee), Broughton High School (Edinburgh), Graeme High School (Falkirk), Holyrood Secondary School (Glasgow), Grange Academy (Kilmarnock), Braidhurst High School (Motherwell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMc99 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 i don't buy into the theory we are so crap we can't qualify, again we've came close and missed out because we've dropped points in games which very every other country at the same level as us is guaranteed 3 points. we need to be a bit braver against teams like lithuania at home, there's no reason we cant go beat them 3/4-0 but we always seem to shit ourselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 44 minutes ago, Tartantony said: Surely we can build football/Education Academy's where we can hire the best available coaches and school teachers. A school where the most gifted kids get to train and play football with qualified coaches and still get to be educated by qualified teachers. The same way that a school like Douglas Academy is the Music school where gifted musicians spend more time on their music instead of shite subjects that don't matter. Have 20 young boys in each year and have them do the basic subjects like Maths, English, Sciences, a language etc but give them 3/4 hours of football every day. And ffs teach them to stay away from Alcohol when they turn 12 and drill some self belief into them. 10 a side games is obviously the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, 7-2 said: 10 a side games is obviously the way forward. Nobody wants to be a keeper anyway. Any-man-save all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: As is noted elsewhere in the thread, this already exists: Every time there is a Youth squad announced by the SFA, they note the PS pupils. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=1957&newsCategoryID=6&newsID=17116 http://www.performance.scottishfa.co.uk/ I used to go to Broughton High School. It was a specialist music school when I was there, I had no idea it was a football performance school now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Jambomo said: I used to go to Broughton High School. It was a specialist music school when I was there, I had no idea it was a football performance school now. The current coach there is Greg Miller (I assume the ex Hibs / lower league journeyman who became a youth coach with them after retiring), the full list below: Braidhurst High School (Motherwell) - Andrew Goldie Broughton High School (Edinburgh) - Greg Miller Graeme High School (Falkirk) - Ian Ross Grange Academy (Kilmarnock) - James Grady Hazlehead Academy (Aberdeen) - Stuart Glennie Holyrood Secondary School (Glasgow) - Joe McBride St John’s High School (Dundee) - Iain Jenkins Of the current U17 pool, Chris Hamilton is one that was a pupil of Broughton HS - he is now an U20 at Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just something else that came to mind from wee Gordy when he was going on about us being a small nation. Yes it's true overall but we do have players that are tall. However the majority of them end up in positions where height is advantageous - in goals, at centre back and up front. That surely is down to a coach's bias: "big lad - he must be (position X/Y/Z)". There are big lads that play outside those positions in Scotland, but very few of them are Scottish. I wonder if they'd have ended up playing where they have if they came through our system, or would they have been channelled towards the places the 'big guy' plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just further on the Performance School thing, I have just seen an article posted on Aberdeen's 15 year old midfilder Connor Barron who hopes to go full-time when he finishes S4 in the summer: http://afc.co.uk/news/10213#.Wdt6BDBryUk Quote "I go to the SFA Performance School at Hazelhead. We get training every day which is tiring, but it's very beneficial if we want to make it in the game. It gives you a little understanding of what it is like to be a full-time professional. You just have to get on with it. Stuart Glennie has done a brilliant job with all the boys. "The level of coaching in the AFC Academy has also always been very good. There is a very good level of consistency as I have moved through the age levels. This season I have been working with Barry Robson and Derek Young while Neil Simpson has also been helping out. To work with these guys is so good, particularly as they are midfielders. They can teach me so much. "I did work school work experience at Pittodrie earlier this year and that was something I really enjoyed. I trained with the U20s in the morning and then spent time in the offices in the afternoon. That helped give me an understanding of how the club was run. It was so good training with Paul Sheerin and his side. I was pleased with how I did. I want more of that if possible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Just further on the Performance School thing, I have just seen an article posted on Aberdeen's 15 year old midfilder Connor Barron who hopes to go full-time when he finishes S4 in the summer: http://afc.co.uk/news/10213#.Wdt6BDBryUk I like that article. I does sound really positive, not just for him but its good to see the likes of Barry Robson and Neil Simpson getting involved with them, good players who can teach them a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Ban playstation and get better weather .....sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Rather than putting the PE teachers through their coaching badges, we should have the school teams coach go through all of the badges and make it mandatory for schools to offer a team in every year - I know in my school only 5th and 6th years had the option of joining the football team and the knob that hosted the training sessions didn't have any coaching qualifications or had very limited qualifications. ^^^Didn't get picked for the school team IMO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulderdomb Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 ^^^Didn't get picked for the school team IMO!!! I am not in a place to confirm nor deny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CH86 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Strachan has changed the way Scotland play following the defeat in Slovakia. He used to reiterate that retaining possession was key to winning international matches, and this is probably why he tried to persevere with Martin or fletcher up front as their link up play was stronger than Griffiths. Since Wembley we now play with pace in attacking areas and try to use this to exploit the opponent. It may have been too late in this campaign but at least it was rectified rather than blindly plodding on with a flawed system that didn't suit the players.We've had three campaigns since we last reached the play off which have given realistic protects of qualifying and each of those campaigns has been ruined by one poor result- Georgia twice in Euro 2008 and 2016 and Lithuania this time.Based on that we're not too far away and wholesale changes aren't the answer as 90% of the results have been good enough to get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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