Was that Hampden's last hurrah?

[eez-eh]

1 hour ago, 1320Lichtie said:

Going on about East Coasters for?

I’d much rather travel through to Glasgow than Edinburgh for, well anything, to be honest.

Edinburgh is a fucking nightmare to get about, roads are brutal, Glasgow has better trains that go all round the city and is in general just a much better location for big events.

 

Not in general, just a few on this thread who are banging on about Murrayfield for the sole reason that it's easier for them to get to. No offence was intended xo

The rest of your post is sound. 

[Enigma]

Not in general, just a few on this thread who are banging on about Murrayfield for the sole reason that it's easier for them to get to. No offence was intended xo
The rest of your post is sound. 

You also have to consider the more positive impression travelling fans will have visiting Edinburgh over Glasgow. The old town, the Georgian splendour of the new town, better art galleries and museums and nicer hotels. We need to sell Scotland to the world and Edinburgh is a better place to do that.

There’s far more to the Hampden v Murrayfield argument than any personal preference. I sit in the upper tier of the North Stand for rugby internationals and it’s a great view. I’ve sat at the back behind the goals at Hampden and you’d need binoculars or a telescope. Murrayfield is also much larger and would create a better atmosphere.

[HibeeJibee]

9 hours ago, Lurkst said:

There's only been one such final in history IIRC. A bit extreme to factor that into the rationale for leaving Hampden...

Two... Hearts v Hibs in 1895-96 (played at St Bernard's - only ever outside Glasgow) and 2011-12.

In all history only 10 Scottish Cup finals haven't featured Strathclyde club(s).


Glasgow is always seen as 'home' of Scottish football. Supposed issue of 'fitba £ going to rugby' is always rolled out. Murrayfield has issues with transport for OF ties and availability at certain times. It's also very big...

If there really is a softening up exercise before ditching Hampden, we're likely off to alternate at Ibrox + Parkhead, with occasional games elsewhere (maybe including Murrayfield)?

Edited November 10, 2017 by HibeeJibee

[gastropod]

17 hours ago, eez-eh said:

The only reason you think it's a joke is because you're (presumably) from the east coast. Glasgow is the biggest city and far more of a football city than Edinburgh, there's nothing laughable about it.

The east coasters championing Murrayfield because it would be easier for them to get to forget - or don't care - that it would just put the burden of travel onto those on the west coast. Solving one problem by creating another doesn't seem to be the best solution.

"East coasters" ? Try getting from Fraserburgh , Peterhead , Elgin, Forres , Inverness , Lochinver , Brora , Wick , Shetland  to either Glasgow or Edinburgh without taking 2 days off work ( if you work) for a midweek international or semi final ...A saturday is a fine day out wherever its played but midweek is a gigantic pain in the arse.

[1320Lichtie]

You also have to consider the more positive impression travelling fans will have visiting Edinburgh over Glasgow. The old town, the Georgian splendour of the new town, better art galleries and museums and nicer hotels. We need to sell Scotland to the world and Edinburgh is a better place to do that.

You must be on the wind up?

[Binos]

forthbanks a nice central location

[Lurkst]

11 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Two... Hearts v Hibs in 1895-96 (played at St Bernard's - only ever outside Glasgow) and 2011-12.

I was aware of that, the point was regarding Hearts - Hibs finals at Hampden.

For the record I thought the 2012 final should've been at Murrayfield, an acceptable deviation for such a huge and rare event.

 

[HibeeJibee]

5 hours ago, Binos said:

forthbanks a nice central location

BBC Reporting Scotland interviewed 3 fans at the Scotland-Netherlands game about it... First thought games should be played at Perth ; second was almost unintelligible Doric, but I think he liked Hampden - "gid enuf whit ken like"; third didn't care but anywhere except Hampden - because "it's never full and there is never any atmosphere" .

[paul-r-cfc]

third didn't care but anywhere except Hampden - because "it's never full and there is never any atmosphere" .

So the logical alternative is clearly to move it to one of 3 alternatives. Two of which are significantly bigger than Hampden and one is roughly the same size...... Good thinking

 

[Monkey Tennis]

The overriding concern for me, is not to feed the OF the financial advantage of hosting Scotland games, or the competitive advantage of staging key 'neutral' cup ties.

The idea of taking qualifiers round the country would have some mileage if we had a few grounds with thirty thousand odd seats, but as we all know, we don't.  There's a few of around twenty thousand and then nothing until we reach about fifty.  That means that other than friendlies, we probably wouldn't much do it, although we did play qualifiers against Estonia at both Tynecastle and Rugby Park in the late 90s.  

If Hampden really had to go, I'd much prefer Murrayfield to the OF grounds.  Even if Hampden isn't great though (and it's not, due to the shallow angle presented by seats being bolted to terracing in a big bowl) surely its history is of some value.  

That history is huge, not just in Scottish terms, but genuinely in world ones.  Hampden holds all the European attendance records and it's been staging international matches longer than pretty much anywhere.

That shouldn't be let go lightly.

[Booker-T]

2 legs for semi of Scottish cup. Finals to be played at Murrayfield unless... both finalists from sames city (then ground decided between them, mediated by SFA if required) or in unlikely event it makes sense to move (such as Hamilton v Airdrie final).

Any neutral stadium for semis in league cup (or even go with a home advantage for the lower placed league team) - the final can be any agreeable stadium.

For internationals... spread the friendlies about far and wide, and let the bigger stadiums bid for qualification matches. 

Also, as it seems Aberdeen will move, the SFA should , for strategic purposes, help pay for the move on the guarantee that the capacity will be over 30,000 (meaning the occasional cup final and qualifier can go there as well)

[SpoonTon]

25 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

2 legs for semi of Scottish cup. Finals to be played at Murrayfield unless... both finalists from sames city (then ground decided between them, mediated by SFA if required) or in unlikely event it makes sense to move (such as Hamilton v Airdrie final).

Any neutral stadium for semis in league cup (or even go with a home advantage for the lower placed league team) - the final can be any agreeable stadium.

For internationals... spread the friendlies about far and wide, and let the bigger stadiums bid for qualification matches. 

Also, as it seems Aberdeen will move, the SFA should , for strategic purposes, help pay for the move on the guarantee that the capacity will be over 30,000 (meaning the occasional cup final and qualifier can go there as well)

When would it ever be appropriate to hold a cup final in Aberdeen? 

[Sergeant Wilson]

11 hours ago, Binos said:

forthbanks a nice central location

It'll probably be too big, the way Scotland are going.

[HibeeJibee]

37 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

2 legs for semi of Scottish cup

 

37 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

Finals to be played at Murrayfield unless... both finalists from sames city (then ground decided between them

 

37 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

league cup (or even go with a home advantage for the lower placed league team)

 

38 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

let the bigger stadiums bid for qualification matches

 

39 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

Aberdeen will move, the SFA should , for strategic purposes, help pay for the move

 

39 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

guarantee that the capacity will be over 30,000

 

39 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

meaning the occasional cup final

[Booker-T]

34 minutes ago, SpoonTon said:

When would it ever be appropriate to hold a cup final in Aberdeen? 

Aberdeen vs ICT vs County vs anyone north of Dundee

[HibeeJibee]

5 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

Aberdeen
vs
ICT / County / anyone north of Dundee

@ Aberdeen?!?!

[Booker-T]

Just now, HibeeJibee said:

@ Aberdeen?!?!

Copa Del Rey finals have been played neutrally at the homes of Real Madrid and Barcelona in recent years with those teams participating in the final and Atletico are likely to have said honour soon enough as well... that's a more prestigious trophy than our national cup and the teams involved all considerably bigger than any teams  likely to play at a final against Aberdeen in Aberdeen.

Hampden is a shit stadium, easily the worst league ground in Glasgow when it comes to watching a game of football... and even if you live in Glasgow, getting to it is a pain in the arse.

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, Booker-T said:

2 legs for semi of Scottish cup. Finals to be played at Murrayfield unless... both finalists from sames city (then ground decided between them, mediated by SFA if required) or in unlikely event it makes sense to move (such as Hamilton v Airdrie final).

Any neutral stadium for semis in league cup (or even go with a home advantage for the lower placed league team) - the final can be any agreeable stadium.

For internationals... spread the friendlies about far and wide, and let the bigger stadiums bid for qualification matches. 

Also, as it seems Aberdeen will move, the SFA should , for strategic purposes, help pay for the move on the guarantee that the capacity will be over 30,000 (meaning the occasional cup final and qualifier can go there as well)

^^^Why supporters views are ignored.

[Booker-T]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

^^^Why supporters views are ignored.

ok, lets keep things as they are with shit attendances at internationals or just switch to the SFA paying Celtic and Rangers rent 

[Sergeant Wilson]

4 minutes ago, Booker-T said:

ok, lets keep things as they are with shit attendances at internationals or just switch to the SFA paying Celtic and Rangers rent 

Attendance will rocket for internationals in Aberdeen.