Marinello Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I know our thoughts are solely on Hampden tonight. But remember Slovenia need to win at Wembley. A defeat and they are out of contention. A draw and they would need snookers. Bottom line is that if they dont win they will regard our match on Sunday as a dead rubber . This would make matters a lot more straightforward for us. For this to happen though we need to win tonight. I`m going for 3-1 to us tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Sorry, since when? Even if you assume Slovakia will beat Malta*: Slovenia can afford to draw tonight providing we beat Slovakia - then beat us on the last day and it goes down to GD between them and Slovakia. *without that there is no scenario, except England and Slovakia winning tonight, by which Slovenia are out of reckoning on the last day. If we're still playing for something on Sunday, so will Slovenia be, except they might be holding out hope for Malta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marinello Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Sorry should have made my point clearer. The excitement is getting to me!! If Slovenia were to draw tonight and Slovakia lose they would still be miles behind Slovakia on gd. This difference would then grow further on Sunday. Thus why I said they would need snookers and why it would be like a dead rubber for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, Marinello said: If Slovenia were to draw tonight and Slovakia lose they would still be miles behind Slovakia on gd. 'Miles behind'? The difference is two goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Menzel said: 'Miles behind'? The difference is two goals. ... and that's currently. In his scenario it would by definition drop to 1 goal, nothing, or advantage Slovenia by full-time this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Why are you talking about GD ? It's head to head . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Why are you talking about GD ? It's head to head . It's GD GMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Why are you talking about GD ? It's head to head . Don't worry, I only found out it was GD last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, G-MAN said: Why are you talking about GD ? It's head to head . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ah. I misread the wiki page...sorry ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Contrary to joyous exclamations, Kane's winner at Wembley didn't really change anything. Slovenia still need to beat us and hope Slovakia don't beat Malta - in theory 0-0 would've allowed a Slovakia-Slovenia 'goal chase' with both able to win; but Slovakia would've been starting the night +1 ahead and with 4 more goals for, effectively +2, and you'd get very long odds on Slovenia thrashing us whilst Slovakia scraped past Malta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskychimp Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 10 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Contrary to joyous exclamations, Kane's winner at Wembley didn't really change anything. Slovenia still need to beat us and hope Slovakia don't beat Malta - in theory 0-0 would've allowed a Slovakia-Slovenia 'goal chase' with both able to win; but Slovakia would've been starting the night +1 ahead and with 4 more goals for, effectively +2, and you'd get very long odds on Slovenia thrashing us whilst Slovakia scraped past Malta. Thats the only relevant bit, in bold. Its a dead rubber for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thats the only relevant bit, in bold. Its a dead rubber for them This. Called this out last night. Slovakia will not fail to beat Malta at home. It's a dead rubber for Slovenia. If they had got a point last night that would not be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Slovenia aren't mathematically out, but they need three things to go their way - them to beat us, Malta to take something from Slovakia, and even after that, they need to hope that 11 points is enough in the 2nd placed table. I'd have my doubts about the last two of those. Definitely not out, but it's an enormous task for them now. Two late goals, two absolute sickeners for Slovakia and Slovenia. One thing it does mean though, Slovenia will have to come out on Sunday. We know how absolutely bereft we are against teams that sit in, so good news for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Slovenia aren't mathematically out, but they need three things to go their way - them to beat us, Malta to take something from Slovakia, and even after that, they need to hope that 11 points is enough in the 2nd placed table. I'd have my doubts about the last two of those. Definitely not out, but it's an enormous task for them now. Two late goals, two absolute sickeners for Slovakia and Slovenia. One thing it does mean though, Slovenia will have to come out on Sunday. We know how absolutely bereft we are against teams that sit in, so good news for us. Would be ideal if Slovakia could score early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, dogmc said: Would be ideal if Slovakia could score early. Initial thought was "would it?" but I suppose you could be right. I don't think it really matters what happens over there now to be honest. I can't see Slovenia hearing Slovakia are winning and then sacking it on the pitch. I just hope they don't sit in, because that's a surefire way to make us look poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Initial thought was "would it?" but I suppose you could be right. I don't think it really matters what happens over there now to be honest. I can't see Slovenia hearing Slovakia are winning and then sacking it on the pitch. I just hope they don't sit in, because that's a surefire way to make us look poor. Id agree that normally we dont fare well against sides sitting in but then we have decent delivery from Robertson (please can someone teach forrest to cross) and martin or fletcher to come off bench. Always the hope too that if Slovakia are scudding Malta that some Slovenia players have a heads gone n give away a set piece or a red card. Anyway its a relief that we have our fate pretty much in our hands. Itll be fecking torture though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Would be ideal if Slovakia could score early. Hopefully it's about 8 0 at halftime; and we see a full heads gone meltdown by Slovenia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 4 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: This. Called this out last night. Slovakia will not fail to beat Malta at home. It's a dead rubber for Slovenia. If they had got a point last night that would not be the case. It effectively was, though... because if you're saying that "Slovakia will definitely beat Malta so leave anything else of out consideration", it's equally true that Slovenia weren't going to beat us by 2-3 goals more than Slovakia would beat Malta by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Slovenia are basically out of it and they know it. They'll be playing for pride and nothing else. England, meanwhile, are heading for World Cup humiliation. They are absolutely dire for a top seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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