JamesM82 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, Gordopolis said: I suppose he's thinking that if he gets a run in the Man U first team he might make it into an England squad. I can understand it from a career point of view. I'm not arsed about where players are born or any of that, but it kind of sours the idea of capping him if we know from the outset that he is either more interested in playing for England or is purely mercenary. It would help if we were more on top of picking up players born outside Scotland (will normally be England, of course) at youth level. McTominay doesn't have any history of playing for (or living in) Scotland. I guess from his point of view it looks like we've only shown an interest in him because he's broken into the Man Utd first team. So what does he owe us? Whereas if we had identified him earlier and been involved in his development, he might feel more of an attachment to the country and the other people he would have played with. It was a similar script (in reverse) with McGeady and McCarthy. We never showed an interest in them until they had broken into high level first teams, by which time Ireland had already got them involved with their squads. Bigger population countries like England will lose out on players, partly because they can't pick everyone who's reasonably talented, but there's really no excuse for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 hours ago, paul-r-cfc said: Papers reporting this morning that McTominay knocked back a call up this month as he is still waiting to see if England will come calling Get him to feck then. If hes not 100% committed then we shouldnt be second choice on his list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonSons Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 BBC Gossip had the following today: Manchester United midfielder Scott McTominay has turned down the chance to make his Scotland debut against Netherlands next week as the Lancaster-born 20-year-old wants to see if he is selected by England. (Scottish Sun) He surely cannot have expected to be picked for the senior team and he hasn't been picked for the U21s either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, LondonSons said: BBC Gossip had the following today: Manchester United midfielder Scott McTominay has turned down the chance to make his Scotland debut against Netherlands next week as the Lancaster-born 20-year-old wants to see if he is selected by England. (Scottish Sun) He surely cannot have expected to be picked for the senior team and he hasn't been picked for the U21s either. Not a quotation in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig McCulloch Burley Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 McTominay not in England senior or U21s or U19s or U17s squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 McTominay not in England U17s squad There’s a good reason for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 2 November 2017 at 10:25, JamesM82 said: It was a similar script (in reverse) with McGeady and McCarthy. We never showed an interest in them until they had broken into high level first teams, by which time Ireland had already got them involved with their squads. McGeady and McCarthy both have a liking for putting on fake Irish accents while on international duty, which is something they couldn't have done if they had chosen to represent Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Fraser Hornby starting up front for Everton in the Europa League tonight. 18 year old who has played for the u19’s in the past. Don’t imagine he’ll get much more first team action this season but nice to see nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Scott Chegg is looking pretty tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Looking forward to the "Goodbye from Cheggsy" thread!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Watching the Norwich v Sheffield Wednesday game and notice they have a young kid Angus Gunn in goals for Norwich. Quick Wikipedia search and I realise it is ex Aberdeen, Norwich and Scotland goalie Bryan Gunn's son. He has played for England at every level and on loan at Norwich. Potentially he may have allegiances for Scotland if not getting look in for England at senior level and we really need an up and coming goalie? His dad was born in Scotland and obviously got a few caps for Scotland as well as in a lot of squads but Leighton and Goram rightly picked ahead of him... Thoughts?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewing Taffies Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 He was called up to the recent England squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Read something ages ago about his dad trying to convince him to play for Scotland but he was having none of it and wants to stick with England instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 He's got a suspiciously full head of hair too. If I was Bryan Gunn I'd be calling for a paternity test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 19 hours ago, LiviLion said: Read something ages ago about his dad trying to convince him to play for Scotland but he was having none of it and wants to stick with England instead. He has no chance Hart still has about 5 yr left, with butland next in line and the Everton keeper. If he wants international fitba then he needs to change ideas. Hart by the way is utter dug meat no idea how he keeps getting picked for that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 10:07, Gordopolis said: He's got a suspiciously full head of hair too. If I was Bryan Gunn I'd be calling for a paternity test. Random thought...say, for a completely made-up example, we have a player Johnny Haggis who has a Scottish father, born in Scotland, but has grown up in England, and is one of those dirty turncoats that Blutes despises so much. For the purposes of this example though, he feels he is Scottish. He has a son who was born in England, but obviously qualifies for Scotland, despite having never lived here. He plays for us at senior level. Big Johnny then has a very public story come out that proves he's no Wee Johnny's pa, and it was actually a visiting Englishman. In this purely hypothetical case, would FIFA just shrug and say that he's represented Scotland once, so he's Scottish, or would they rule him ineligible now that he has no links to Scotland? If it happened the other way around, and Johnny had been shagging around, and ended up siring a child who ended up being the complete opposite and was now eligible only for Scotland, would we have a claim to him? Kind of like when Coach Bombay stole that kid off the better team because they redraw the county lines in Mighty Ducks. These are the big questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, forameus said: Random thought...say, for a completely made-up example, we have a player Johnny Haggis who has a Scottish father, born in Scotland, but has grown up in England, and is one of those dirty turncoats that Blutes despises so much. For the purposes of this example though, he feels he is Scottish. He has a son who was born in England, but obviously qualifies for Scotland, despite having never lived here. He plays for us at senior level. Big Johnny then has a very public story come out that proves he's no Wee Johnny's pa, and it was actually a visiting Englishman. In this purely hypothetical case, would FIFA just shrug and say that he's represented Scotland once, so he's Scottish, or would they rule him ineligible now that he has no links to Scotland? If it happened the other way around, and Johnny had been shagging around, and ended up siring a child who ended up being the complete opposite and was now eligible only for Scotland, would we have a claim to him? Kind of like when Coach Bombay stole that kid off the better team because they redraw the county lines in Mighty Ducks. These are the big questions. You have way to much time on your hands......but interesting scenario all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Random thought...say, for a completely made-up example, we have a player Johnny Haggis who has a Scottish father, born in Scotland, but has grown up in England, and is one of those dirty turncoats that Blutes despises so much. For the purposes of this example though, he feels he is Scottish. He has a son who was born in England, but obviously qualifies for Scotland, despite having never lived here. He plays for us at senior level. Big Johnny then has a very public story come out that proves he's no Wee Johnny's pa, and it was actually a visiting Englishman. In this purely hypothetical case, would FIFA just shrug and say that he's represented Scotland once, so he's Scottish, or would they rule him ineligible now that he has no links to Scotland? If it happened the other way around, and Johnny had been shagging around, and ended up siring a child who ended up being the complete opposite and was now eligible only for Scotland, would we have a claim to him? Kind of like when Coach Bombay stole that kid off the better team because they redraw the county lines in Mighty Ducks. These are the big questions. You've to provide birth certificates for yourself and your parents if you're wanting to "change country" so they'd just use that to decide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leomessi1984 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 McTominay looked good against Bournemouth. Would imagine he'll make a decision one or the other fairly soon, hopefully for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullard Bluteau Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 11/12/2017 at 16:28, forameus said: Random thought...say, for a completely made-up example, we have a player Johnny Haggis who has a Scottish father, born in Scotland, but has grown up in England, and is one of those dirty turncoats that Blutes despises so much. For the purposes of this example though, he feels he is Scottish. He has a son who was born in England, but obviously qualifies for Scotland, despite having never lived here. He plays for us at senior level. Big Johnny then has a very public story come out that proves he's no Wee Johnny's pa, and it was actually a visiting Englishman. In this purely hypothetical case, would FIFA just shrug and say that he's represented Scotland once, so he's Scottish, or would they rule him ineligible now that he has no links to Scotland? If it happened the other way around, and Johnny had been shagging around, and ended up siring a child who ended up being the complete opposite and was now eligible only for Scotland, would we have a claim to him? Kind of like when Coach Bombay stole that kid off the better team because they redraw the county lines in Mighty Ducks. These are the big questions. I don't "despise" those English players who realise they are not good enough for their own country, rather I despise a Scotland manager who decides to ignore Scots in favour of others with Scots ancestors. Knowing full well that its purely to try and further their football career and not some "patriotic" duty. Just as a matter of interest, would Forameus (assuming he is Scottish) be happy to play for England ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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