John Lambies Doos Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Clearly not. OK Fash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 12 hours ago, strichener said: It's quite simple - the EU membership is not a majority vote, each state has a veto over enlargement (national parliamentary ratification of the Treaty) and Spain would veto it without hesitation. So, obviously the UK would (without hesitation) also veto Catalonia joining the EU? I don't recall Westminster making this announcement. Please provide details. I do, however, recall Spanish politicians stating that the legal break-up of the UK was a matter for the UK, and they wouldn't oppose Scottish membership of the EU For example, here's a link to a recent article in the Guardian (that well known SNP mouthpiece) Guardian Article 2nd April 2017 Selected quotes: Spain has said it would not veto an attempt by an independent Scotland to join the EU, in a boost to Nicola Sturgeon’s campaign for a second independence referendum... ...Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes... ...Asked directly whether Spain would veto an independent Scotland joining the EU, Dastis said: “No, we wouldn’t.”... ...Madrid is keen not to fuel Catalonia’s desire for independence. “We don’t want it [Scottish independence] to happen,” he said. “But if it happens legally and constitutionally, we would not block it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: “But if it happens legally and constitutionally, we would not block it. That's the crucial bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 The heavily Castillian Ruling PP party is grasping onto anything it can to keep control of its wee spanish empire!! They are shitting themselves that if Catalonia go's then more will follow,particularly in the north. The Basque Country in particular has long had a large separatist movement and are the only part of spain to take to arms to get it. The devo max/home rule/full autonomy deal from the spanish government has quietened things down a bit up Bilbao way. But without doubt they are eyeing up proceedings over on the east coast. Galicia,Navarre and Aragon in the north too are all watching and waiting for what lies next. The PP/Francoist dictatorship are acting like they did back in the bad old days of the republic,slamming down hard on the Catalans,just like they did to them back in the day along with the Basques,Galicians etc,surpressing their languages and cultures. Spain simply do's not do democracy and the sore lessons of the past quite clearly have not been learned 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Whitburn Vale said: The heavily Castillian Ruling PP party is grasping onto anything it can to keep control of its wee spanish empire!! They are shitting themselves that if Catalonia go's then more will follow,particularly in the north. The Basque Country in particular has long had a large separatist movement and are the only part of spain to take to arms to get it. The devo max/home rule/full autonomy deal from the spanish government has quietened things down a bit up Bilbao way. But without doubt they are eyeing up proceedings over on the east coast. Galicia,Navarre and Aragon in the north too are all watching and waiting for what lies next. The PP/Francoist dictatorship are acting like they did back in the bad old days of the republic,slamming down hard on the Catalans,just like they did to them back in the day along with the Basques,Galicians etc,surpressing their languages and cultures. Spain simply do's not do democracy and the sore lessons of the past quite clearly have not been learned Strange how it's the wealthiest parts of Spain who have well financed independence movements. No word from the Andalucian Liberation Front as yet. You get the same in Italy with the Northern League, all regions closest to the rest of Europe for trade purposes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Strange indeed and no surprise but a lot of this is buried in the past,the Catalans/Basques etc have simply never forgiven what happened from the mid 30's onwards!! The bombing of Guernica in the Basque country by the Luftwaffe in support of the fascist Franco was an atrocity on a massive scale and has never been forgotten!! The supression of local languages and culture has parallels with what has happened on this island. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 minute ago, Whitburn Vale said: Strange indeed and no surprise but a lot of this is buried in the past,the Catalans/Basques etc have simply never forgiven what happened from the mid 30's onwards!! The bombing of Guernica in the Basque country by the Luftwaffe in support of the fascist Franco was an atrocity on a massive scale and has never been forgotten!! The supression of local languages and culture has parallels with what has happened on this island. Never mind how richer they would be if they didn't have to contribute to less fertile and geographically advantaged places for industrial investment. Franco died 40 odd years ago and people all over Spain fought against him and suffered for it. I don't see any suppression of Catalan culture now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I'm guessing you're a nationalist with a big "N" rather than a civic nationalist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassnahalf Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said: OK Fash Who is Fash? Please explain... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 hours ago, glassnahalf said: You reckon wrong, I'm not this mcspreader you seem to have a beef with. What's up did he disagree with you on something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 32 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Never mind how richer they would be if they didn't have to contribute to less fertile and geographically advantaged places for industrial investment. Franco died 40 odd years ago and people all over Spain fought against him and suffered for it. I don't see any suppression of Catalan culture now. No argument on the financial side of things,undoubtedly the richer countries in the North would be better off if they werent bailing out the South of spain,they put far more into the pot than what they get back. The franco years are a scar on the very soul of spain and will not be forgotten for a long time. As for suppression of Catalan culure or anywhere west of it along the Pyrenees to the Bay of Biscay,successive Castillian governments in Madrid have tried every means possible to stifle any sort of individualism. Its only in recent years with greater self control that the Catalan government has had more control of what go's on within its borders. I would say that denying the Catalan people a vote on their future that a clear majority want is supression. Supression by a castillian judiciary and government,once again comparisons abound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassnahalf Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, madwullie said: a picture of Poirot... God knows what that means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, glassnahalf said: a picture of Poirot... God knows what that means. Ellipsis. Missing capitalisation etc... It's not the grammar - it's the unrelenting repetition of the same basic mistakes. You're a fucking idiot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Ellipsis. Missing capitalisation etc... It's not the grammar - it's the unrelenting repetition of the same basic mistakes. You're a fucking idiot. Give him a couple of days and he'll have the butchers apron avatar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Who is Fash? Please explain... No need to, cause you know fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Spain are really handling this badly. Did one of the last polls have a No lead e.g 48-41? Check oot the nick of El Pais in English , makes the Daily Mail ''almost'' look neutral. https://elpais.com/elpais/inenglish.html Edited September 15, 2017 by Kejan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: Strange how it's the wealthiest parts of Spain who have well financed independence movements. No word from the Andalucian Liberation Front as yet. You get the same in Italy with the Northern League, all regions closest to the rest of Europe for trade purposes. Castilian settlement and the expulsion of the moriscos probably took care of the Andalusian Liberation Front tbf. Edited September 15, 2017 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glassnahalf Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 7 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: No need to, cause you know fine. Nope, none the wiser. Please explain, if possible in words that don't include swearing. That's if you can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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