Whitburn Vale Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 The Catalan government are pressing ahead with their Independence Referendum on the 1st of October despite pressure from the spanish government and courts in Madrid. Spanish premier Rajoy has promised any means possible to stop it though stopped short of declaring martial law and troops on the ground as not to inflame the situation between Barcelona and Madrid any further,the Catalan premier puidgemont has promised to mobolise the Catalan people in any event of troops being deployed. Catalonia is one of the most wealthiest areas of Spain,a country of 7.5 million that puts far more into the spanish economy than what it recieves back from the central government in Madrid. It also casts envious eyes to the Basque Country and see's how the 2.5 million basques enjoy full autonomy,devo max,home rule etc,Catalonia's parliament is much on a par with Scotland's powers wise. Interesting times on the iberian peninsula other countries with similar grievances towards Madrid like the Basque Country and Galicia are eyeing up proceedings over in Catalonia with interest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Dougie Maclean's finest song imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Nonsense, Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament in the entire world 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Hopefully the Catalan government will push ahead with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitburn Vale Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Nonsense, Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament in the entire world nice one jld like it (Except for the Basque Country!!) Edited September 9, 2017 by Whitburn Vale 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhafc1874 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Hopefully the Catalan government will push ahead with this. I think they will & I think the Catalan people will vote Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Really worrying seeing the police raiding printers and newspapers searching for referendum material. Makes me wonder where the Spanish state will draw the line. Surely this intimidation is in violation of the EU right to self-determination? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I was in Barcelona a few weeks back and their "sí" materials look oddly familiar to the Yes Scotland posters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Would this really mean Barcelona being kicked out of the Spanish league? If so, I kind of hope it happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I was in Barcelona a few weeks back and their "sí" materials look oddly familiar to the Yes Scotland posters Did they then get beat 2 1 by Germany? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Feels a bit embarrassing that the Catalans seem to have an affinity with Scotland. They've got politicians potentially taking jail sentences to have a vote; we had the UK Prime Minister tootling up to Edinburgh to sign ours off and we bottled it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I don't have a lot of sympathy for the richest part of a country wanting to keep their money to themselves. Don't think they'd win a referendum though, Catalans are better than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I don't have a lot of sympathy for the richest part of a country wanting to keep their money to themselves. Don't think they'd win a referendum though, Catalans are better than that. That is exactly what happens in our UK. Money goes to England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Tbf it's incredibly simplifying to boil down Catalonian self-determination to "the richest part of the country wanting to keep its money to itself". I don't have an explanation for why Catalonian nationalism grew out of a suppressed Aragonian identity though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Isn't the most recent sentiment still largely fueled by the pro/anti Franco stance taken in different parts of Spain? Certainly there was massive suppression in Catalonia though they were certainly not the only region where this happened. I've been going to Barcelona at least once a year for the past 10 years and whilst I do not venture outwith the central areas much I have still noticed growing visible support for the Catalan cause. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The Franco era of persecution ties in to a long history of difference between Castile and Aragon ever since they were formally united by Isabella and Ferdinand. I think it was Philip V that formally abolished the Kingdom of Aragon in the 18th century (either during the War of the Spanish Succession) or around the 1750s which might explain the modern understanding of Catalonian nationalism differing from the historical Aragonese kingdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 The Franco era of persecution ties in to a long history of difference between Castile and Aragon ever since they were formally united by Isabella and Ferdinand. I think it was Philip V that formally abolished the Kingdom of Aragon in the 18th century (either during the War of the Spanish Succession) or around the 1750s which might explain the modern understanding of Catalonian nationalism differing from the historical Aragonese kingdom. Where there Dragons? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearbuyerbell Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Betting markets suggest a Yes vote will carry, but opinion polls show a narrow lead for no. Are we expecting a boycott by No voters to lower participation and dilute the result? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Betting markets suggest a Yes vote will carry, but opinion polls show a narrow lead for no. Are we expecting a boycott by No voters to lower participation and dilute the result? Did an unofficial vote not happen couple of years back with a mass boycott? Why is this one different? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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