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The Catalan government are pressing ahead with their Independence Referendum on the 1st of October despite pressure from the spanish government and courts in Madrid.

Spanish premier Rajoy has promised any means possible to stop it though stopped short of declaring martial law and troops on the ground as not to inflame the situation between Barcelona and Madrid any further,the Catalan premier puidgemont has promised to mobolise the Catalan people in any event of troops being deployed.

Catalonia is one of the most wealthiest areas of Spain,a country of 7.5 million that puts far more into the spanish economy than what it recieves back from the central government in Madrid.

It also casts envious eyes to the Basque Country and see's how the 2.5 million basques enjoy full autonomy,devo max,home rule etc,Catalonia's parliament is much on a par with Scotland's powers wise.

Interesting times on the iberian peninsula other countries with similar grievances towards Madrid like the Basque Country and Galicia are eyeing up proceedings over in Catalonia with interest.

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4 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Nonsense, Scotland has the most powerful devolved parliament in the entire world

:lol: nice one jld like it :thumsup2  (Except for the Basque Country!!) 

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Hopefully the Catalan government will push ahead with this.  


I think they will & I think the Catalan people will vote Yes.

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Really worrying seeing the police raiding printers and newspapers searching for referendum material.  Makes me wonder where the Spanish state will draw the line.  Surely this intimidation is in violation of the EU right to self-determination?

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I was in Barcelona a few weeks back and their "sí" materials look oddly familiar to the Yes Scotland posters

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Feels a bit embarrassing that the Catalans seem to have an affinity with Scotland.

They've got politicians potentially taking jail sentences to have a vote; we had the UK Prime Minister tootling up to Edinburgh to sign ours off and we bottled it.

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I don't have a lot of sympathy for the richest part of a country wanting to keep their money to themselves. Don't think they'd win a referendum though, Catalans are better than that.

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I don't have a lot of sympathy for the richest part of a country wanting to keep their money to themselves. Don't think they'd win a referendum though, Catalans are better than that.


That is exactly what happens in our UK. Money goes to England.

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Tbf it's incredibly simplifying to boil down Catalonian self-determination to "the richest part of the country wanting to keep its money to itself". I don't have an explanation for why Catalonian nationalism grew out of a suppressed Aragonian identity though.

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Isn't the most recent sentiment still largely fueled by the pro/anti Franco stance taken in different parts of Spain?  Certainly there was massive suppression in Catalonia though they were certainly not the only region where this happened.

I've been going to Barcelona at least once a year for the past 10 years and whilst I do not venture outwith the central areas much I have still noticed growing visible support for the Catalan cause.

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The Franco era of persecution ties in to a long history of difference between Castile and Aragon ever since they were formally united by Isabella and Ferdinand. I think it was Philip V that formally abolished the Kingdom of Aragon in the 18th century (either during the War of the Spanish Succession) or around the 1750s which might explain the modern understanding of Catalonian nationalism differing from the historical Aragonese kingdom.

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The Franco era of persecution ties in to a long history of difference between Castile and Aragon ever since they were formally united by Isabella and Ferdinand. I think it was Philip V that formally abolished the Kingdom of Aragon in the 18th century (either during the War of the Spanish Succession) or around the 1750s which might explain the modern understanding of Catalonian nationalism differing from the historical Aragonese kingdom.


Where there Dragons?

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Betting markets suggest a Yes vote will carry, but opinion polls show a narrow lead for no.    

Are we expecting a boycott by No voters to lower participation and dilute the result?  

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