welshbairn Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Comparing everything to the single issue of Scottish independence is infantile. I discussed the issue with Leonard (and John foster) back in 2004 and I can assure you their view of Scotland's relationship with Britain is not a right wing one. The communist party were advocating members (all 42 of them) to vote no. I disagree with them, but don't make absolutely everything about the issue of Scottish independence. A lot can change in 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I hope he does get the gig. Only because Sarwar doesn't deserve anything other than a quiet slide into obscurity. If he gets it he'll drag Labour even further into the gutter than they already are. It's a crap choice that the Labour Party have, and even though I'm SNP, I hoped that they'd have been able to offer a significantly better one. I think he might just be a bit of a corbyn puppet if he gets it (but could be wrong). Sarwar is on a whole level of cuntishness all on his own. I think Leonard might promote some interesting economic policies that would make life uncomfortable for the snp leadership. Up to now labour haven't really flanked them on the left with any substance. It's just been Corbynista talk and Scottish labour throwing snpbad in when they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I can understand exactly where someone like Leonard is coming from regards nationalism - will be very much along the lines of dividing the working classes etc. I used to believe that too - but given what a set of cvnts the working class in England have been - hell mend them I now say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I think he might just be a bit of a corbyn puppet if he gets it (but could be wrong). Sarwar is on a whole level of cuntishness all on his own. I think Leonard might promote some interesting economic policies that would make life uncomfortable for the snp leadership. Up to now labour haven't really flanked them on the left with any substance. It's just been Corbynista talk and Scottish labour throwing snpbad in when they could. That Sarwar is a c**t is undeniable. His biggest cheerleader being Jackie Baillie is proof enough of that. Leonard seems to me to have started off with SNP bad and he'll take it from there. Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Would love Leonard to be a success. His politics from what I've seen are genuinely dece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 13 hours ago, pandarilla said: I'll be surprised if Leonard is supportive of trident, but I honestly have no idea. Your point about the gmb not being particularly lefty wing is hardly a ground breaking revelation. So, if he worked for a merchant bank or a slavers boat it would be fine as long as he personally didn't believe in what he was taking money for. I thought it would be obvious that I wasn't trying to produce a revelation about the GMB but to point out the hypocrisy of someone painting themselves as the second coming of Trotsky working for them. You could almost say he talks left and acts centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 So, if he worked for a merchant bank or a slavers boat it would be fine as long as he personally didn't believe in what he was taking money for. I thought it would be obvious that I wasn't trying to produce a revelation about the GMB but to point out the hypocrisy of someone painting themselves as the second coming of Trotsky working for them. You could almost say he talks left and acts centrist. Pivoting to the slave trade is certainly one way to massively over-blow your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 57 minutes ago, pandarilla said: Pivoting to the slave trade is certainly one way to massively over-blow your point. Best not address it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Let's just state that pandarilla accused me of hating an entire football league on the basis of me not liking a refereeing decision. Yet that dick has the balls to accuse another person of over-blowing a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 There aren't enough Kenneth Williams memes in the World for that last sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 19 hours ago, Shades75 said: But not left enough to support 5.5million people freeing themselves from a right-wing government they don't, and never do, vote for. Same as Corbyn. A unionist first and socialist second. Not sure that you need to be left-wing to be a Nationalist. I'm socially left of centre, but economically right of centre. Still a Nat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Not sure that you need to be left-wing to be a Nationalist. I'm socially left of centre, but economically right of centre. Still a Nat! I'm not sure how that's relevant to my post that you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Shades75 said: I'm not sure how that's relevant to my post that you quoted. Probably down to your generalisation that 5 1/2 million want freed from a right-wing government they don't, and never do, vote for. If you want to tie these two things together then according to the most recent poll, the majority are happy with the right-wing government. Independence should not be about left or right and everything about Scotland making our own decisions regardless of the current incumbents in No10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Let's just state that pandarilla accused me of hating an entire football league on the basis of me not liking a refereeing decision. Yet that dick has the balls to accuse another person of over-blowing a point. Did i Randy? What league was that? I do apologise. I can go a little far during an argument but I generally to find common ground (honestly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: Did i Randy? What league was that? I do apologise. I can go a little far during an argument but I generally to find common ground (honestly). It was during the Man City/Monaco game. I had a go at a ref's decision against Man City and you accused me of hating the EPL as a result. EDIT: Sorry. Against Monaco. That makes zero sense otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, strichener said: Probably down to your generalisation that 5 1/2 million want freed from a right-wing government they don't, and never do, vote for. If you want to tie these two things together then according to the most recent poll, the majority are happy with the right-wing government. Independence should not be about left or right and everything about Scotland making our own decisions regardless of the current incumbents in No10. I didn't say that. I also can't be bothered with you - so I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It was during the Man City/Monaco game. I had a go at a ref's decision against Man City and you accused me of hating the EPL as a result. EDIT: Sorry. Against Monaco. That makes zero sense otherwise. Ahh I remember that. I think I was aware that the majority of posters on here (or certainly on that thread) were on the other side of the argument - so I was a bit defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Shades75 said: I didn't say that. I also can't be bothered with you - so I'm out. Are there two posters with the same name? 21 hours ago, Shades75 said: But not left enough to support 5.5million people freeing themselves from a right-wing government they don't, and never do, vote for. Same as Corbyn. A unionist first and socialist second. You can claim pedantry, call me a c**t or whatever takes your fancy. However you quite clearly did post what I attributed to you. I am however not surprised that you want to disassociate yourself from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I didn't say that. I also can't be bothered with you - so I'm out. It's probably best. He must be the most stubborn person on this forum. Even when he is blatantly wrong he can't admit it. Let him haver on tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, strichener said: Are there two posters with the same name? You can claim pedantry, call me a c**t or whatever takes your fancy. However you quite clearly did post what I attributed to you. I am however not surprised that you want to disassociate yourself from it. I. Can't. Be. Bothered. With. You. There - I've repeated it for you. Have the last word. I'll be grateful to escape the usual week long war of attrition that you usually take to get it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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