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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

Santa hats off to Hawick who got their first point of the season after trailing 2-0 v Dalbeattie... their Christmas would be rosier had they hung-on at 3-2 up to close gap to 8pts, not 11, though.

Bbc again getting a Lowland score incorrect listing it as a 3-2 win for Hawick. 

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December is over.

Hawick's woes have worsened as the gap has grown to 12pts. Edusport have pulled themself well clear of the bottom places, while Gala and CSS have slid down the table. Vale of Leithen now occupy the provisional relegation place on GD.

Kelty remain well clear atop EOSL but Leith and LTHV with 5 games-in-hand remain very much in contention.

Threave now lead SOSL, though St Cuthbert or Newton Stewart could yet strike from mid-table.

 

11   Edusport    P19   W6 D3 L10   21pts,  -5

12   Gala        P17   W6 D3  L8   21pts,  -6

13   Civil Ser   P18   W5 D5  L8   20pts

14   Dalbeatt.   P16   W3 D4  L9   13pts, -13

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15   Vale of L   P17   W4 D1 L12   13pts, -24
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

16   Hawick      P16   W0 D1 L15    1pt


 

 1   Kelty       P12  W12 D0 L0   36pts

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 2   Leith       P11   W9 D1 L1   28pts

 3   Preston     P12   W8 D1 L3   25pts, +18

 4   H-W Univ    P14   W7 D4 L3   25pts,  +2

 5   LTHV         P7   W7 D0 L0   21pts



 

 1   Threave     P14  W11 D0 L3   33pts

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 2   Bonnyton    P16  W10 D2 L4   32pts, +40

 3   Lochar      P14  W10 D2 L2   32pts, +28

 4   Heston      P15  W10 D0 L5   30pts

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Hawick thumped at Selkirk today and now have to claw-back over 1pt per game to survive.

Vale thrashed Gala while Dalbeattie got 1pt at Edusport.

Allowing for games-in-hand CSS, Gala and Edinburgh Uni may now look over their shoulders with increased concern.

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4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Hawick thumped at Selkirk today and now have to claw-back over 1pt per game to survive.

Vale thrashed Gala while Dalbeattie got 1pt at Edusport.

Allowing for games-in-hand CSS, Gala and Edinburgh Uni may now look over their shoulders with increased concern.

Hibee Jibee declares the Welfare safe that’s good enough for me :) 

In all seriousness a really solid performance from Whitehill away to the Strollers today. Squad taking shape and definitely a case of looking up the table now. 

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:lol: obviously plenty can happen but it would be quite an effort - from everyone below too - for you to drop 5 places and 12pts over the course of 12 games.

Next-up a rescheduled home game v Hawick, also.

Little has been happening in EOSL/SOSL where Kelty and Threave still lead. Interestingly however they met at Kelty in the South Challenge Cup yesterday, where to many's surprise Threave won.

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SOSL has issued its fixtures to the season's end:
 

                Threave         Bonnyton         Lochar          Heston       Mid Annandale

               P14  33pts      P16  32pts      P14  32pts      P15  30pts      P14  29pts
 

Sat 27 Jan    Heston   (H)    Stranr’r (A)    Nithsd’e (H)    Threave  (A)    Upper A. (A)

Sat 03 Feb    Abbey V. (A)    Lochmab. (H)    Upper A. (A)    Annan A. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)

Sat 10 Feb    Creetown (A)    Edusport (A)    St Cuth. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    SoC R2
Sat 17 Feb    Stranr’r (H)    Lochar   (A)    Bonnyton (H)    N. Stew. (A)    Abbey V. (H)
 MID-WEEK     Heston   (H)                                    Threave  (A)

Sat 24 Feb    Bonnyton (H)    Threave  (A)    Lochmab. (H)    Upper A. (A)    St Cuth. (A)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 03 Mar    Edusport (H)    Annan A. (A)    Mid Ann. (H)    Lochmab. (A)    Lochar   (A)    SCC R4

 MID-WEEK     St Cuth. (A)                    Mid Ann. (A)                    Lochar   (H)     HG R2
Sat 10 Mar    Lochmab. (H)    Lochar   (H)    Bonnyton (A)    D’s YMCA (A)    Nithsd’e (A)     CL R1
 MID-WEEK
Sat 17 Mar    Lochar   (H)    Upper A. (H)    Threave  (A)    Creetown (A)    Lochmab. (H)  HC R2/PC SF
 MID-WEEK     Abbey V. (H)
Sat 24 Mar    Lochar   (A)    Creetown (H)    Threave  (H)    Mid Ann. (A)    Heston   (H)
 MID-WEEK     Stranr’r (A)
Sat 31 Mar    St Cuth. (H)    Lochmab. (A)    Creetown (A)    Mid Ann. (H)    Heston   (A)    SCC SF
 MID-WEEK
Sat 07 Apr    Bonnyton (A)    Threave  (H)    Heston   (H)    Lochar   (A)    D’s YMCA (H)
 MID-WEEK     N. Stew. (H)                    D’s YMCA (A)                    Nithsd’e (H)

Sat 14 Apr    Annan A. (H)    St Cuth. (A)    Stranr’r (A)    Creetown (H)    Upper A. (A)*
 MID-WEEK     Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    Upper A. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    D’s YMCA (A)     TC SF
Sat 21 Apr    Mid Ann. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    Annan A. (H)    ------------    Threave  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Mid Ann. (H)    Nithsd’e (A)    Stranr’r (H)    Bonnyton (A)
Sat 28 Apr    Nithsd’e (A)    Upper A. (H)    Abbey V. (A)    D’s YMCA (H)    Creetown (A)
Sat 05 May                                                                                    Playoff
Sat 12 May                                                                                    Playoff
Sun 20 May                                                                                    SCC Fin

Not shown:
Southern Counties Cup    R3 / SF / Fin
Cree Lodge Cup           R2 / SF / Fin

Haig Gordon Cup               SF / Fin
Potts Cup                          Fin
Tweedie Cup                        Fin

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EOSL:
 

                 Kelty            LTHV

               P13  39pts       P8  24pts

 

Sat 27 Jan    Ormiston (A)    H-W Univ (A)
Sat 03 Feb    St U EOS (H)    Burntis. (H)
 MID-WEEK                     V. of L. (H)    EQC SF
Sat 10 Feb    Tynecas. (A)    Coldstr. (A)

 MID-WEEK     LTHV     (A)    Kelty    (H)     LC SF
Sat 17 Feb    Coldstr. (H)    Peebles  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Preston  (A)
Sat 24 Feb    Peebles  (H)    Eyem’th  (A)
 MID-WEEK                     Tynecas. (A)
Sat 03 Mar    Burntis. (A)    Ormiston (H)     KC R1
 MID-WEEK                     Leith    (H)     KC R1
Sat 10 Mar    Tynecas. (H)    Leith    (A)
 MID-WEEK                                      EC SF
Sat 17 Mar    Tweedm’h (H)    Tynecas. (H)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 24 Mar                                  KC R2/EQC Fin

 MID-WEEK

Sat 31 Mar    H-W Univ (A)    Eyemouth (H)
 MID-WEEK

Sat 07 Apr    Leith    (H)    Preston  (H)     LC Fin

 MID-WEEK                                      EC Fin
Sat 14 Apr                                     KC SF

 MID-WEEK

Sat 21 Apr             ( )             ( )

 MID-WEEK

Sat 28 Apr             ( )             ( )

Sat 05 May                                    Playoff

Sat 12 May                                    Playoff

Sun 20 May

Sat 26 May                                     KC Fin
 

No date yet   LTHV     (H)    Kelty    (H)

              LTHV     (A)    Leith    (H)

                              Tweedm’h (H)

                              Kelty    (A)

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January is over. It's been a good month for Vale of Leithen who have pulled themselves above Dalbeattie and opened-up a 5pt gap. Bad month for the Islecroft men who as things stand would be hoping on neither EOSL / SOSL champion being licensed, or HL champion not winning promotion to SPFL2. Hawick are still winless.

Kelty and LTHV still have 100% records in EOSL.

SOSL a "mixing pot".

 

11   Civil SS    P21   W6 D5 L10   23pts
12   Edin Univ   P21   W6 D4 L11   22pts

13   Gala        P20   W6 D3 L11   21pts

14   Vale of L   P19   W6 D1 L12   19pts

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15   Dalbeatt.   P19   W3 D5 L11   14pts
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

16   Hawick      P17   W0 D1 L16    1pt


 

 1   Kelty       P14  W14 D0 L0   42pts

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 2   Leith       P14  W10 D2 L2   32pts

 3   Preston     P14  W10 D1 L3   31pts

 4   H-W Univ    P17   W8 D5 L4   29pts

 5   LTHV         P9   W9 D0 L0   27pts
 6   Peebles     P12   W7 D0 L5   21pts



 

 1   Bonnyton    P17  W11 D2 L4   35pts, +43 
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 2   Lochar      P15  W11 D2 L2   35pts, +30

 3   Threave     P14  W11 D0 L3   33pts, +43

 4   St Cuthb.   P18  W10 D3 L5   33pts, +22

 5   Heston      P15  W10 D0 L5   30pts
 6   Mid Ann'e   P14   W9 D2 L3   29pts


 

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On 27/01/2018 at 21:41, heedthebaa said:

Went to see Hawick this afternoon at Highmoo and I’ll be stunned if they’re not bottom come the end of the season 

Being very black and white about it, if we assume that Dalbeattie will pick up some more points this season, say 7, that would leave HRA needing 21 to overtake them. 21 points from 15 games is not great but probably Gala Fairydean / Vale of Leithen form to date. So unless Hawick sign an entire team of the standard of Vale of Leithen now (and they gel immediately), they will be bottom and by some distance.

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If Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Clyde etc. get relegated with a Highland League club winning the play-off, will 15th place in the Lowland League also get relegated to allow the winners of the EoSFL/SoSFL play-off to take their place?

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21 minutes ago, Ginaro said:

If Cowdenbeath/Edinburgh City/Clyde etc. get relegated with a Highland League club winning the play-off, will 15th place in the Lowland League also get relegated to allow the winners of the EoSFL/SoSFL play-off to take their place?

That's it in essence. 15th & 16th in the Lowland League would be relegated to make room for the relegated SPFL club & EoSFL/SoSFL playoff winner.

 

 

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On 2/5/2018 at 16:51, FairWeatherFan said:

That's it in essence. 15th & 16th in the Lowland League would be relegated to make room for the relegated SPFL club & EoSFL/SoSFL playoff winner.

 

 

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

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46 minutes ago, stanton4 said:

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

Tbf, only one down out a league of 16 is an unusually low percentage but in time it’s a certainty that will increase - especially as the number of licensed clubs in the feeder leagues below increases.

You do however raise an interesting point re the highland league. The sooner the north premier juniors, or a select bunch of ambitious north juniors and/or North Caledonian clubs form a breakaway Highland league second tier the better. 

 

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9 hours ago, stanton4 said:

 I think clubs that have spent every penny they have  trying to comply with the regs and obtain a licence ( as opposed to those who are admitted on the strength of paying a few quid in rent each week eg BSC/Edu/and to an extent Stirling U ) are entitled to a bit of certainty of outcome at the start of a season. Could LL not expand in such a case, one down is surely enough given the investments involved.

I also struggle to understand how all the risk appears to fall on LL/EoS/SoS clubs while the HL clubs sit tight  and get all the benefits ( if they want them) of the pyramid without any of the downsides. How are the SFA allowing this 

It was decided when the Lowland League was formed that it would remain at 16 teams. It's unfortunate but it is what they all signed up to. With this only the second season that the Lowland Leauge has operated at 16 teams, it's a rule that will evolve over time. For now it's not a particularly pressing issue until it happens, so it's likely to stay on the books till they have to deal with the consequences of it.

As for the Highland League they get away with it because the SFA took a hands off approach and left it to the clubs to organise. That's also how the EoSFL & SoSFL were allowed to be tacked on beneath the Lowland League. I wasn't a fan of the McLeish Report's 10 team Highland & Lowland Leagues, but it would of forced a more significant change than what we have seen. With the Angus SPFL clubs no longer threatened by the idea of participation in the Highland League I doubt it will change unless more North Juniors try for a SFA licence.

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41 minutes ago, big al said:

do the winners of the east of scotland league have to negotiate a playoff with either the south of scotland winners or bottom of the lowland league to gain promotion? (if they are licensed and able to be promoted)

  1. EoSFL v SoSFL both licensed - play-off with each other
  2. Only one team licensed - that teams goes up without a play-off
  3. No team licensed - no one gets promoted

Since it's a 16 team league, if Cowdenbeath come down but no Lowland League team gets promoted then the 15th team also gets relegated to balance the numbers.

Found the rules after I asked the same thing on the previous page - rule B4: http://slfl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Scottish-Lowland-Football-League-Rules-Version-8.pdf

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