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The_Kincardine    3,307
4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Untrue on different levels.

Even in the narrow terms of pretending that football clubs are mere businesses, only Celtic lost out significantly, while others actually gained.  In the wider terms of what football clubs are actually for of course, several clubs made massive - in fact historic - gains.

The "sell-out shite" is well described.  It was never part of the argument about not admitting Newco to the top flight.  That was about fans who do attend, refusing to do so in future if Rangers were allowed to continue as if nothing had happened.

Revisionism at its worst.  To quote: https://thisisfutbol.com/2012/08/blogs/why-sell-out-saturday-wasnt-the-success-that-the-aberdeen-and-the-spl-wanted-it-to-be/

"According to the Daily Record, Sell Out Saturday, the campaign started by Aberdeen fans to fill out every SPL ground in the wake of Rangers move to the third division was a roaring success. The Record declared that “Crowds were up in a number of matches”. In fact there were only four Premier League games played on Sell Out Saturday, of which none were a sell-out.

The Record’s statistics do not cover the Edinburgh Derby played on the Sunday, which recorded its lowest ever attendance for an opening season fixture between the clubs. Celtic did not play this weekend, as they were off in America losing a pre-season friendly to Real Madrid in a half-empty stadium in Philadelphia.

Only Aberdeen saw an increase in attendance, though the ground was nowhere near sold out against Ross County. The turnout from fans of the SPL was so poor the Record had to include Scottish Football League One attendances to boost figures. If Sell Out Saturday was supposed to be about the Scottish Premier League rallying to offset the loss to the game of Rangers playing in Division Three, then why include the Football League teams?

It seems the Daily Record story of Sell out Saturday is Jackanory at its best. The reality of the state of the game in Scotland is that most of the SPL games played on Saturday had lower than average attendances."

 

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Monkey Tennis    5,623
11 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Revisionism at its worst.  To quote: https://thisisfutbol.com/2012/08/blogs/why-sell-out-saturday-wasnt-the-success-that-the-aberdeen-and-the-spl-wanted-it-to-be/

"According to the Daily Record, Sell Out Saturday, the campaign started by Aberdeen fans to fill out every SPL ground in the wake of Rangers move to the third division was a roaring success. The Record declared that “Crowds were up in a number of matches”. In fact there were only four Premier League games played on Sell Out Saturday, of which none were a sell-out.

The Record’s statistics do not cover the Edinburgh Derby played on the Sunday, which recorded its lowest ever attendance for an opening season fixture between the clubs. Celtic did not play this weekend, as they were off in America losing a pre-season friendly to Real Madrid in a half-empty stadium in Philadelphia.

Only Aberdeen saw an increase in attendance, though the ground was nowhere near sold out against Ross County. The turnout from fans of the SPL was so poor the Record had to include Scottish Football League One attendances to boost figures. If Sell Out Saturday was supposed to be about the Scottish Premier League rallying to offset the loss to the game of Rangers playing in Division Three, then why include the Football League teams?

It seems the Daily Record story of Sell out Saturday is Jackanory at its best. The reality of the state of the game in Scotland is that most of the SPL games played on Saturday had lower than average attendances."

 

Why are you saying this stuff as if it's remotely relevant?

You stated that most clubs lost out.  The only evidence you seem capable of mustering in support of this claim is that gates didn't particularly climb on a given weekend.

The stuff you come out with these days is truly pathetic.  Your arguments don't hang together at all.

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bennett    927

So have any clubs actually backed Celtics 42 clubs (including sevco) are against sevco claim?

 

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The_Kincardine    3,307
14 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

The stuff you come out with these days is truly pathetic.  Your arguments don't hang together at all.

As opposed to, "That was about fans who do attend, refusing to do so in future if Rangers were allowed to continue as if nothing had happened" for sell out Saturday?  I think not.

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Insaintee    247
1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

This is a well-made post, of course, but lacks the crucial question: Should the tail wag the dog or the dog wag the tail? 

The rules should apply to the tail and the dog.

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1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said:

It is an irritating assumption, but it's accurate in your case.

Did you not display your club as Celtic under your avatar until just now?  Am I being whoooshed?

You are certainly being somethinged here Monkey as I have never displayed any club ever since I joined. 

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1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

I don't make that assumption at all so shame on you.

You post like one and share the same obsession and paranoia so if you support another team you have fucked up somewhere.

You didn't make that assumption but then continue to comment on why you assume I was one. Deary me. 

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The_Kincardine    3,307
2 minutes ago, Paralytic Critic said:

You didn't make that assumption but then continue to comment on why you assume I was one. Deary me. 

You are confirming your status as a wearer of the grey and green hoops with this reply.

I did not assume that, because you don't like Rangers, you're automatically a Celtic fan.  Many who post on here claim a dislike for us and I know they support wee clubs.  This is business as usual on the Sevco threads.

I assume you're a Celtic fan because you're a bitter fool who posts like one.

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31 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

You are confirming your status as a wearer of the grey and green hoops with this reply.

I did not assume that, because you don't like Rangers, you're automatically a Celtic fan.  Many who post on here claim a dislike for us and I know they support wee clubs.  This is business as usual on the Sevco threads.

I assume you're a Celtic fan because you're a bitter fool who posts like one.

You quoted waistcoatwilly and claimed me to be a fellow fan of his team, is this the norm for you to assume every poster who shows dislike to your club and what they have gotten away with as being a Celtic fan. Oh I forgot, you don't make assumptions, well not that many, only 2 or 3 a reply. 

Seems to me there is only one bitter fool here and it isn't me. 

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nacho    24
4 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Eh?

Are you saying that Rangers received advice telling them that when it came to registering players for competition, It was fine to declare only part of the payments they were receiving, due to the existence of side letters?

Who offered such advice and why?  The breach in terms of football registration issues, was very clear.

ebts were were never hidden and always declared in the audited accounts under the term Remuneration Trust, both the SFA and SPL were fully aware of them. stop lying about them not being declared, its tedious

rangers were advised that EBTs are discretionary loans, or bonus payments, and not contractual. so not dual contracts with no need to declare. The SFA and SPL saw the annual accounts, saw the EBT and allowed Rangers to carry on regardless.

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Monkey Tennis    5,623
19 hours ago, The_Kincardine said:

As opposed to, "That was about fans who do attend, refusing to do so in future if Rangers were allowed to continue as if nothing had happened" for sell out Saturday?  I think not.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

Why on earth are you going on about "sell out Saturday"?  I was very clearly referring to the steps that made SPL chairmen decide not to admit Newco straight into their set-up.  That's why it's what was referred to in the sentence that immediately preceded the one you quoted.

Are you deliberately just being silly, or has your capacity to read properly been compromised?

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Monkey Tennis    5,623
15 hours ago, nacho said:

ebts were were never hidden and always declared in the audited accounts under the term Remuneration Trust, both the SFA and SPL were fully aware of them. stop lying about them not being declared, its tedious

rangers were advised that EBTs are discretionary loans, or bonus payments, and not contractual. so not dual contracts with no need to declare. The SFA and SPL saw the annual accounts, saw the EBT and allowed Rangers to carry on regardless.

Dear, dear Nacho.  There's something terribly touching about your complete inability to grasp what this is about.

Why mention accounts?  What have they to do with the registration of players?

There was an explicit requirement for all payments to players, be they conventional wages, loans or payments from a third party to be declared when registering players.  Rangers knew this and did not comply with it.

When it came to registering players, the presence, let alone details, of EBT arrangements was not declared.  That is unequivocally not a lie, tedious or otherwise.

You know, it's funny.  With Kincardine, I find myself wondering what he's playing at, but with you there's really no mystery.  You just don't understand.  It's ever so charming.

 

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McQuade    255
12 hours ago, nacho said:

ebts were were never hidden and always declared in the audited accounts under the term Remuneration Trust, both the SFA and SPL were fully aware of them. stop lying about them not being declared, its tedious

rangers were advised that EBTs are discretionary loans, or bonus payments, and not contractual. so not dual contracts with no need to declare. The SFA and SPL saw the annual accounts, saw the EBT and allowed Rangers to carry on regardless.

HELLO IDIOT!

The EBTs were presented as EBTs in the accounts , but they weren't they were contractual payments , part of players salaries that's what you're not getting, Dickson's evidence clearly shows this 

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Monkey Tennis    5,623

The brass neck on Traynor after what he wrote at the time is just staggering.

The disgusting git was designed for the post-truth era.

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Insaintee    247
17 hours ago, nacho said:

ebts were were never hidden and always declared in the audited accounts under the term Remuneration Trust, both the SFA and SPL were fully aware of them. stop lying about them not being declared, its tedious

rangers were advised that EBTs are discretionary loans, or bonus payments, and not contractual. so not dual contracts with no need to declare. The SFA and SPL saw the annual accounts, saw the EBT and allowed Rangers to carry on regardless.

But they were hidded and not declared to the SFA and to HMRC .

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bennett    927
34 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

The brass neck on Traynor after what he wrote at the time is just staggering.

The disgusting git was designed for the post-truth era.

Why the fcuk would you be upset over a sevco press conference, I don't think I'd ever watch another clubs press conference.

 

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Monkey Tennis    5,623
Just now, bennett said:

Why the fcuk would you be upset over a sevco press conference, I don't think I'd ever watch another clubs press conference.

 

I'm not upset and I didn't watch the press conference.  

Other than that, your post is extremely wise and relevant.

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