kenny131 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 You say 4 clubs go senior what fecking bit of a pyramid system don't you get, the juniors will go into this system sooner or later. I am saying those who don't want too should feck aff to the ammies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said: How does it. JUniors a semi professional grade and not amateur. How can a minority leaving mean that all go amateur. You are talking bollocks So we're now semi pro but don't want too play with the rest of the semi pro. Jog on numb nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duraglit shareholder Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Google German football league set up on wikipedia,there you will find all the answers with typical German efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 f**k that. They have B teams. I hate B teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-german exile Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 f**k that. They have B teams. I hate B teams. They also won the confed cup with a b team, most of whom cut their teeth in club b teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleboy1969 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 14 hours ago, Burnie_man said: Kelty have won two of the last three Superleague titles and are gone, prior to that Bo'ness won three Superleagues in five years and they are racing certainties to follow Kelty. Thats five winners in the last eight seasons gone or going. The only other winners in that time are Linlithgow (once) who are already Licenced and Bonnyrigg (twice), the latter had a great run in the Scottish this season and want more of the same. How much more noise do you want? Kelty nowhere to be seen when it comes to taking on the best in the West. Bo'ness and linlithgow have made no intention to leave junior football ( small fish in big pond doesn't suit them) linlithgow gave no need to leave as they have a licence . I happen to like junior football, I've followed it since I was a young boy,. If I wanted to watch senior football I would but I choose to follow junior football that's lasted all these years without this nonsense. I take it you see Kelty,linlithgow or Bo'ness as potential Scottish cup winners in the future, I see them struggling in senior football that also has a dwindling support. How many Blackburn supporters would pay over ten pounds week in week out to watch there team lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 At what level will you be allowed to take drink in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: At what level will you be allowed to take drink in? Under 20s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Che Dail said: Under 20s! Think that's another topic of conversation, but an issue that should be addressed - pulling curtains across a dining room window so that you can't see the pitch isn't right no matter what level of football it is at. To me a properly managed and licensed bar / restaurant / café approach which is family friendly would be an appropriate way forward rather than a social club / drinking den environment. Watch the kids football in the morning and have lunch together before the 1st team plays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Duraglit shareholder said: Google German football league set up on wikipedia,there you will find all the answers with typical German efficiency. Yes, A complete overhaul after Euro 2000 - see this excellent article for background: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/germany-bust-boom-talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 They also won the confed cup with a b team, most of whom cut their teeth in club b teams. Yes, I'm sure Germany's population, resources, football history, extensive coaching network and winning mentality had nothing to do with it. Scotland will dominate World football if Celtic Reserves are allowed to play Albion Rovers four times a year. Get B teams in the fucking sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, daleboy1969 said: Kelty nowhere to be seen when it comes to taking on the best in the West. Bo'ness and linlithgow have made no intention to leave junior football ( small fish in big pond doesn't suit them) linlithgow gave no need to leave as they have a licence . I happen to like junior football, I've followed it since I was a young boy,. If I wanted to watch senior football I would but I choose to follow junior football that's lasted all these years without this nonsense. I take it you see Kelty,linlithgow or Bo'ness as potential Scottish cup winners in the future, I see them struggling in senior football that also has a dwindling support. How many Blackburn supporters would pay over ten pounds week in week out to watch there team lose? You asked where all the noise is and I told you, the Champions two out of the last three seasons have gone, Bo’ness haven’t been shy at stating their intent to follow them, and it isn’t fantasy to imagine that the other two mentioned clubs may follow them in a couple of years time (amongst others). That’s your four biggest clubs in the East Region, the Pyramid “nonsense” isn’t going away. What will Armadale do if that happens? Blackburn supporters wont be paying £10 to watch a game as not even the Lowland League charges that, and we won’t be playing at that level anytime soon. Clubs in the East of Scotland League that Kelty are moving to charge as low as £3.00, they are Senior clubs, as are Kelty now. Do you actually appreciate that if Junior clubs joined the Pyramid, very little would change for most, including Armadale and Blackburn, but that there would be no more glass ceiling preventing ambitious clubs from trying for promotion to the LL and SPFL if they wanted to? no more division, no more reinstatement, maybe it will lead to a game that’s run a bit more professionally than we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 33 minutes ago, Che Dail said: Think that's another topic of conversation, but an issue that should be addressed - pulling curtains across a dining room window so that you can't see the pitch isn't right no matter what level of football it is at. To me a properly managed and licensed bar / restaurant / café approach which is family friendly would be an appropriate way forward rather than a social club / drinking den environment. Watch the kids football in the morning and have lunch together before the 1st team plays... Sounds Utopian - unfortunately as so many new clubs have found out, having a huge membership doesn't necessarily translate into many people coming to watch the first team. BSC Alloa were expecting 2-300 people each home game given the size of their organisation and number of youth teams they run. After the first couple of games when the groundhoppers ticked it off, normal service ended up being about 10% of their initial projection. Closer to home, after their first couple of friendlies at the Excelsior attracted big crowds, Gartcairn were talking about home gates in the hundreds which didn't come to pass. The simple truth is that while parents are happy to ferry their kids to and from their game at 10am, in the vast majority of cases they've got absolutely no intention of losing any more time to it than they need to by making a day of it and watching the first team afterwards. People largely see them as providing a service, not something to follow - the best analogy I've heard so far that if your missus joined a local gym, you're hardly likely to start following their gymnastics team up and down the country to competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Yes, I'm sure Germany's population, resources, football history, extensive coaching network and winning mentality had nothing to do with it. Scotland will dominate World football if Celtic Reserves are allowed to play Albion Rovers four times a year. Get B teams in the fucking sea. Not a massive fan of B teams being involved, but we're hardly setting the heather on fire qualifying for World Cups and Euro Champs, or getting teams past August in Euro comps, so why not try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Not a massive fan of B teams being involved, but we're hardly setting the heather on fire qualifying for World Cups and Euro Champs, or getting teams past August in Euro comps, so why not try something different. A (i): Because Scottish club football isn't and shouldn't be organised for the supposed benefit of a national team, as club football shits all over international football from a great height. (ii): Nor should the experience of domestic football for the vast majority of senior clubs be ruined or at least seriously watered down by B teams - on the dubious grounds that it might help the handful of clubs that would both operate a B team and qualify for Europe beat a bunch of beetroot howkers and get knocked out a single round closer to the main event. (iii): 'Try something different' is a nonsensical argument: you wouldn't use it to try to justify 3am kick-offs for league matches because the negative impacts of such a change are perfectly obvious. As they are to the vast majority of Scottish football fans who have no interest in having B teams pollute their division or the lower ranks of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, virginton said: A (i): Because Scottish club football isn't and shouldn't be organised for the supposed benefit of a national team (as club football shits all over international football from a great height). (ii) Nor should the experience of domestic football for the vast majority of senior clubs be ruined or at least seriously watered down by B teams, on the dubious grounds that it might help the handful of clubs that would both operate a B team and qualify for Europe beat a bunch of beetroot howkers and get knocked out a single round closer to the main event. (iii) 'Try something different' is a nonsensical argument: you wouldn't use it to try to justify 3am kick-offs for league matches because the negative impacts of such a change are perfectly obvious. As they are to the vast majority of Scottish football fans who have no interest in having B teams pollute their division or the lower ranks of the game. (i) Clubs should be producing talent which helps them, and helps the National team, it goes hand in hand. Germany sussed this out 15 years ago, we fail miserably. (ii) Ruined? dear me. (iii) Behave yersel. As much as there is a whole load of "aye been" crowd in the Juniors, there's plenty in the SPFL as well who are resistant to change. I'm not fussed either way with B teams, but it's worth trying out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 It is not, in any way, "worth trying out" any more than I'd like to "try out" cholera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: It is not, in any way, "worth trying out" any more than I'd like to "try out" cholera. Aye but you follow Clyde who are not a club I'd take lessons from in how to go about being successful. Seriously, I'm not fussed either way on the issue. If they come about, great, if they don't, great. If pushed, I'd probably be against until such times as we had a Pyramid system worthy of the name to include them in, but no doubt we'll find a way to shoehorn them into the half-arsed set up we currently enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 hours ago, daleboy1969 said: I take it you see Kelty,linlithgow or Bo'ness as potential Scottish cup winners in the future, I see them struggling in senior football that also has a dwindling support. Come on, it's not just Seniors that have a dwindling support. Scottish football has been dying on its erse since I went to my first game in 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I don't expect anyone to copy Clyde. We'd have far fewer fans if we started playing B teams every other week though, as would the vast majority of clubs in our league. More than enough reason to oppose B teams. In any case I'm struggling to see the logic... Young players play for their B teams against other B teams = bad. Young players go on loan and play for first teams against other first teams = bad. Young players play for their B teams against first teams = World Cup triumph in the bag. How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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