Proposed football rule changes

[Fuctifano]

4 hours ago, EH75 said:

It's the same with a lot of things that are already in sport though. For example there is only a forth official at higher levels of the game, goal line technology etc. Same in rugby, as you go down the levels I guess they don't use a video ref, hawk eye in tennis I presume is only in use at the top professional levels etc. 

I presume this would be the same and lower levels would just keep the current system? 

Interesting ideas and certainly worth a trail to see how they work in practice I reckon. 

Agree with certain levels of technology only being available at the higher levels of the game, and that won't ever change. Same as if you're playing amateur you might only have a ref, then a bit higher you might also have linesmen.

I don't watch a lot of rugby, but I think the clock there only stops for injuries, subs, and video ref. This is suggesting the clock stops every time the ball goes out of play, which is going to be a pain in the arse for refs at amateur level - if it is implemented there- imagine you forgot to re-start it after a throw in and didn't realise for 5 minutes and overly analysed at higher level (equaliser scored with 5 seconds to go in a big game and fans / pundits analysing how long the clock was stopped for). I think there's good intentions behind it, to cut down timewasting, but it needs a bit of refinement.

[HibeeJibee]

Those amateur refs are going to have to manage 10min sins bin too.

On subject of corners - why isn't there a 10m arc at corners? They happen more often than kick-offs or penalties.

[itzdrk]

2 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

Those amateur refs are going to have to manage 10min sins bin too.

On subject of corners - why isn't there a 10m arc at corners? They happen more often than kick-offs or penalties.

Some teams have it marked out off the pitch e.g. below.  

Much less common now, should be mandatory. 

[HibeeJibee]

If we're having a 'D' for penalties and a centre circle for kick-offs, then we should have arcs for corners.

Indeed you could have a dotted line 2m in down each side for throw-ins if liked.

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Players rarely encroach at corners. 

[roman_bairn]

If they just left football alone we'd have no crossbars, corners or penalties! It needs to evolve.

What into some form of Basketball or American Football? Is that what you mean by progress?

[The Nightfly]

Stopping the clock would just lead to advert breaks during play. Bin. Immediately.

 

I have seen short, instant, adverts popping up, while the live action was minimised to the top corner of the screen during a delay, (player being injured etc). Can't remember where I was at the time - maybe somewhere in Asia.

 

[GeeJay]

5 hours ago, HibeeJibee said:

If we're having a 'D' for penalties and a centre circle for kick-offs, then we should have arcs for corners.

There is a short line each side of the corner flag which I believe indicate the 10 yards that opposition can't encroach beyond (see pic below). Obviously isn't an arc though.

Time wasting and encroaching are my two biggest dislikes about watching football. For example, I can't remember the last time I saw a penalty where players didn't encroach from behind the kicker and/or the goalkeeper stealing a yard off his line. But admittedly I'm not sure how you fix that without retaking penalties 50 times til they get it right.

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2 hours ago, roman_bairn said:

What into some form of Basketball or American Football? Is that what you mean by progress?

 

Yes. Yes indeed. That's exactly what I mean. 110% that. You're so observant. 

[roman_bairn]

Yes. Yes indeed. That's exactly what I mean. 110% that. You're so observant. 

I'm all for progress and for minor tweaks that improve matters but when you start to change the games duration or set it up for media purposes...that's not progress IMO.

[Busta Nut]

99% of this can chase itself

[GordonS]

I don't know why people think the timing thing suits TV. Just now they have a very good idea of when a match will end and can schedule accordingly; keeping count of game time would lead to much bigger variations in when matches end, as has happened in rugby. The France v Wales 6 Nations match this year went on so long they had to delay kick-off in the Ireland v England match following it.

It's not an idea I much like, but stopping the clock for injuries, subs and goals would take the sting out of timewasting and be fairer. And if they're doing it they should definitely connect it to stadium clocks.

Whether things are applicable at lower levels doesn't bother me. In the Junior league cup early rounds they don't even have linesmen. I watch a lot of rugby and it doesn't seem to cause any problems that non-professional levels don't have access to video replays, etc. Same happens in tennis with Hawkeye too.

I've always been in favour of penalty goals, not just for handball, but for any time a goal would probably have been scored. I've seen players taken down outside the box by the goalie, with no defender behind them, denying a near certain goal and it not even leading to a penalty. It works pretty well in rugby and I think it would be no more controversial in football than any other refereeing decision.

Taking free-kicks to yourself - imagine that this had always been allowed and we were debating preventing it. That would be mad, we'd see it as creating an incentive to foul. I'm in favour of it, I don't think it would make a massive difference in practice but I think we'd see a lot of tap-and-go free kicks, speeding the game up a little where it suits the team that have been fouled.

Goal kicks should be taken from whatever side is closer for the goalkeeper.

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8 hours ago, roman_bairn said:

I'm all for progress and for minor tweaks that improve matters but when you start to change the games duration or set it up for media purposes...that's not progress IMO.

 

Point out where I said that's what I wanted.

[The Nightfly]

11 hours ago, GordonS said:

 

I've always been in favour of penalty goals, not just for handball, but for any time a goal would probably have been scored. I've seen players taken down outside the box by the goalie, with no defender behind them, denying a near certain goal and it not even leading to a penalty. It works pretty well in rugby and I think it would be no more controversial in football than any other refereeing decision.

It isn't a goal until the whole of the ball crosses the goal line. This is never 100% certain. I think we've all seen 'certain' goals denied by wind, mud and Van Vossen type finishing. Bring in punishments - but not penalty goals.

[Lex]

I remember there being similar outrage when the pass back rule was introduced.  Turned out to be one of the best things that ever happened to football.

If you ever watch tape of games from the 80's or before, it was invariably fucking brutal fayre.  Free kicks from the half way line regularly booted back to your own keeper, who'd roll it out to the left back, who'd pass it back to the keeper.  Liverpool in particular mastered this art, and won several European Cups off the back of it.

Personally I see nothing wrong with any of the proposals, all of them would add a degree of slickness and modernity to the game. 

 

[GordonS]

3 hours ago, Chinese Whisperer said:

It isn't a goal until the whole of the ball crosses the goal line. This is never 100% certain. I think we've all seen 'certain' goals denied by wind, mud and Van Vossen type finishing. Bring in punishments - but not penalty goals.

The ball almost always ends up in the net when an attacker rounds the goalkeeper and there's no-one else between them and the goal. 'Probable' is definitely good enough for me.

And besides, a higher proportion of those moments end in goals than penalties do, so it's fairer than giving a penalty. 

[Jacksgranda]

On ‎18‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 10:20, EH75 said:

It's the same with a lot of things that are already in sport though. For example there is only a forth official at higher levels of the game, goal line technology etc. Same in rugby, as you go down the levels I guess they don't use a video ref, hawk eye in tennis I presume is only in use at the top professional levels etc. 

I presume this would be the same and lower levels would just keep the current system? 

Interesting ideas and certainly worth a trail to see how they work in practice I reckon. 

Maybe you could up the ante in Scotland and have a firth official?

[Northboy]

On ‎18‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 10:46, Ya Bezzer! said:

Football is one of the most phenomenally success ideas in human history.  Just leave it alone for f**k sake.

Obviously the game and the laws develop over time but this seems like overkill to me, far too much at one time. I don't see where the demand for such changes comes from in terms of players, supporters or even referees and the cynic in me sees a hint of commercialisation and pandering to TV companies. Next step will be playing the game by quarters.

[highlandcowden]

18 hours ago, Chinese Whisperer said:

 

I have seen short, instant, adverts popping up, while the live action was minimised to the top corner of the screen during a delay, (player being injured etc). Can't remember where I was at the time - maybe somewhere in Asia.

 

ive seen this before too.think it was Italian football,every time there was a stoppage some infuriating advert of horses running.or maybe that was blade runner.

I'm not sure these proposed changes have been particularly well thought out-I read the clock would stop,for example,when the ref asks a player whos down if he needs treatment,if that's the proposal it doesn't take a genius to figure out that a team looking to timewaste will just have guys dropping like flies as far from the ref as they can manage

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32 minutes ago, Northboy said:

Obviously the game and the laws develop over time but this seems like overkill to me, far too much at one time. I don't see where the demand for such changes comes from in terms of players, supporters or even referees and the cynic in me sees a hint of commercialisation and pandering to TV companies. Next step will be playing the game by quarters.

They'll be playing the numbers game. Throw out loads in the hope of getting a couple through. I expect their excuse for the 60 minute games would be to grab media attention and 'get people talking' which, in fairness, it's done. I'd be amazed if they seriously believed in it themselves.