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19 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

I'm sure the 18-19 is just a genuine mistake.  A "moratorium on applications  whilst discussions are ongoing" seems a reasonable description of what the SFA is saying: "Scottish FA Board that it would not take any more membership applications until such time as this matter is resolved."

Considering clubs are looking to him for crystal clear guidance, is that the kind of mistake to be making?

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1 hour ago, Khufu2 said:

Oh really? Did I miss the EOS AGM?

I think you mean they have applied.

 

Still inhabiting your little fantasy world, I see.

Ah, you think we'll be refused, right oh.  Who's fantasising? dear god........

Edited by Burnie_man

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1 hour ago, HTG said:

With the best will in the world, there clearly is merit and a need for another Tier 5 league in the south. Once the clubs in the south are all on board you can't just continue to pretend that the Highlands merit the same level of opportunity as the Lowlands when it's going to be very obvious that the strength in depth of the Lowlands will far outstrip the Highlands. That position doesn't exist yet but in 5 years time it most certainly will. 

In 5 years, a HFL with the likes of Strathspey or Rothes lurking at Tier 5 will be massively inferior in depth of quality to 2 leagues south of the Tay. 

As things stand, the current structure is right. 

I was merely attempting to suggest that anything put forward will have to pass through both the pyramid working group and an sjfa vote via an agm/egm. 

To simply assume that any of the current tier 5 or 6 sides will willingly give up their position for the juniors to join the pyramid would be a tad hasty. For me, if I were a current tier 5 or 6 delegate, I would not forgo the best interests of my members to allow another association, who denied the opportunity 6 years ago, to enter at the same level or the level above now they wish to play the game. 

In short this is like turning down an invite to a wedding then turning up on the day expecting a seat at the top table with a full compliment of meal and entertainment. 

The way that this process will work will be the 6 associations voting on what they think is best...... If I were a LL, HL, Eosfl or the Sosfl delegate I certainly wouldn't be voting to the detriment of my members. 

 

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58 minutes ago, drs said:

To sum up, eh?

So are the teams that are looking to go, off to the EoS or not? (AGM still to come)

No change here.  EoS EGM on Thursday evening.

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33 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Ah, you think we'll be refused, right oh.  Who's fantasising? dear god........

What utter nonsense. How can you draw that conclusion from what I posted? You really do inhabit Fantasy Island.

The facts are:

Blackburn United is a member of the SJFA.

It is currently participating in SJFA competitions

Applying to join the EOS does not mean you have been accepted.

The last two teams to be processed for licensing are LTHV and HWU, not Blackburn, not Dalkeith.

Under current rules nothing will be done about licensing  your club until a) they have been accepted by EOS, b) the SFA lifts the moratorium on licensing.

I have passed no judgment on whether your team will or will not be accepted by the EOS.

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54 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

Considering clubs are looking to him for crystal clear guidance, is that the kind of mistake to be making?

Do you never make mistakes?

This was an informal email. Presumably any more formal document will have corrected the error.

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14 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

Do you never make mistakes?

This was an informal email. Presumably any more formal document will have corrected the error.

I think it's all about the context and timing. 

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20 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

I think it's all about the context and timing. 

...go on ....

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17 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

...go on ....

Clubs considering a defection to EoS need accurate information from the SJFA. They need it now. TJ is making a play to keep them on board. Stating in that email '18-19' is careless in the context of the current climate.  Yes, everyone makes mistakes but I don't know how relevant that is here. That mistake misleads these clubs on a key issue.

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1 hour ago, Khufu2 said:

What utter nonsense. How can you draw that conclusion from what I posted? You really do inhabit Fantasy Island.

The facts are:

Blackburn United is a member of the SJFA.

It is currently participating in SJFA competitions

Applying to join the EOS does not mean you have been accepted.

The last two teams to be processed for licensing are LTHV and HWU, not Blackburn, not Dalkeith.

Under current rules nothing will be done about licensing  your club until a) they have been accepted by EOS, b) the SFA lifts the moratorium on licensing.

I have passed no judgment on whether your team will or will not be accepted by the EOS.

Put your fucking shoe in your mouth and take your head away from the keyboard. You've been told Blackburn and Dalkeith are going forward with their licence applications. Do not argue this any further. 

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Dunipace confirm they are looking to move East,

Dunipace Football Club - The Future

We would like to formally announce our aspiration to move into the Senior Scottish game for season 2018/19 by applying to both the East of Scotland League and FA.

Our Club Executive Committee went through a process of due dilligence early in 2018 in order to come to this decision, carefully considering the detail available with regards pros and cons of all options open to us. At the end of this process the vote, for the benefit of the future of the entire club, was unanimous. At this time we would like to express our most sincere gratitude to both the SJFA and West Region Juniors for providing the club with a fantastic platform throughout our 130 year history. Our achievements through the generations; from a Scottish Junior Cup win in 1906, to the most recent success in the Evening Times Cup in 1999, via a lifetime membership of the SJFA award for our fondly remembered long term chairman George Hunter: The Junior grade has been a fantastic home for Dunipace FC.

 

We are proud of our Junior history, but for the benefit of the club, the players (from kids through to adults) and the community we serve we have made this decision in order to ensure the club is in the best possible position to grow, improve and thrive for the next 130 years. In early 2018 the Club Executive Committee announced securing over �600,000 of investment for the Denny & Dunipace area to provide a state of the art facility that will become the new home of Dunipace FC (currently more than 250 players and growing at all levels).This has been the culmination of 8 years of hard work from the club and many partners, including: The Scottish Football Association, Falkirk Council, Sportscotland, Falkirk Community Trust, our local elected members; Cllr Paul Garner, Michael Mathieson MSP and John McNally MSP, and our local community.

 We will soon begin work on upgrading the surface, installing floodlights and a perimeter fence and providing new changing facilities that meet all the standards required of the partner organisations. This will mean that for the first time the whole club can have a single base to operate from with a quality surface that will allow ALL teams to train and play games. It will provide a hub of activity for the community with additional plans for an updated club room, enclosure and improved access already well underway. It will allow us to add over 35's, community programs and more, all from our own purpose built facility, all year round.

With the huge amount of effort put in by everyone at the club over the last decade through our Quality Mark commitment we have put in place strong, inclusive and comprehensive supporting policies and procedures. The creation of this facility, aligned with this work, means SFA Licensing which once seemed unattainable is now a realistic goal for the club to work towards. We aim to work towards achieving Entry Level Licensing through 2018/19 with a view to having this in place for season 2019/20, where if successful Dunipace FC would, for the first time in our history, be eligible to participate in the Senior Scottish Cup. Our commitment to Licensing requires a commitment to the Pyramid and was a factor in the decision to make this move.

Another major factor was access to an Under 20 Development league, as run by the East of Scotland league in conjunction with the South and Lowland leagues. Giving kids coming to the end of the community pathway a route into Senior football, via an established development pathway, will be a great addition to the structure at the club. Developing young players through the age groups and seeing them regularly pull on the black and white of the 'Pace First Team is the ambition of everyone connected with the club and this is another tool which will aid in that objective, better serving our local community in the process.

We are working hard to make this a reality for season 2018/19 and hope to have a new and exciting partnership to announce on this front in the coming weeks, subject to the decision on our application by the EoS League and FA. With many other clubs also deciding that this is the right time to apply to become members of the Senior game, it means, if accepted as we hope, we will be moving to a superbly run, competitive league, with great facilities and a number of interesting games that we hope, along with a welcoming and upgraded facility, will peak the interest of the local community.

No prospective game more-so than the potential local (friendly!) derby against our closest neighbours Camelon Juniors, who have also recently announced their application. This is a game that, despite our proximity of only a few miles, has rarely been played competitively but could be on the fixture list come June when the full season fixtures are announced.

Given the speculation over recent weeks we felt it only right that we make this information available at this time. We hope that everyone connected with Dunipace FC, Denny, Dunipace and our wider community can understand our reasons for making this decision and, if we are successful on Thursday, will support the 'Pace as we embark on a new journey. A journey which will hopefully provide youngsters in and around the town a pathway from kids right through to Senior football without leaving the Denny and Dunipace area.

Saturday's game versus Ashfield marked both the last home game on Grass and if our application is successful on Thursday, last home game as a Junior club. Thanks to those who came down to Westfield to support the team. Youth section players attended and had a photograph taken with the first team and this was great to see. We hope the work being done behind the scenes captures your imagination and we can welcome you all regularly on our journey long into the future.

We look forward to a new and exciting future for the club and everyone around it.

Well done to all involved!

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I for one would like to welcome our new weegie/Falkirk/Stirling? overlords:)

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5 minutes ago, HTG said:

Do not argue this any further. 

LOL! Who on earth do you think you are?

There is a moratorium on licence applications.

Dalkeith and Blackburn are not EOS members.  They are junior clubs.

Their applications will be dealt with a) when they join the EOS  b) when the SFA lifts the moratorium.

Despite what has been posted there is no processing of any Blackburn or Dalkeith application at the moment.

All those statements are facts.

It’s not rocket science.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

LOL! Who on earth do you think you are?

There is a moratorium on licence applications.

Dalkeith and Blackburn are not EOS members.  They are junior clubs.

Their applications will be dealt with a) when they join the EOS  b) when the SFA lifts the moratorium.

Despite what has been posted there is no processing of any Blackburn or Dalkeith application at the moment.

All those statements are facts.

It’s not rocket science.

 

 

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA at the AGM and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount to Dalkeith, Blackburn, Camelon, whoever. The whole licencing process seems to take months - as noted below - anyway. This moratorium doesn't seem to change much, if anything? 

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Given the ongoing uncertainty around finding a pyramid solution to bring the Juniors into the fold and the number of junior members that appear to be leaving without knowing what the pyramid solution is, it was agreed unanimously by the Scottish FA Board that it would not take any more membership applications until such time as this matter is resolved. This ensures that all clubs are able to make informed decisions in the full knowledge of what the future landscape looks like; something that they are unable to do at present.

The Scottish FA President will be chairing this and will be reconvening the pyramid working group in early course to take this forward. It is his and the Board of the Scottish FA’s wish that this can be resolved over the Summer allowing clubs to know what the situation is prior to the start of next season (noting that if any structural changes are agreed these would not come in until season 19-20). If matters are resolved in this timescale it will only be one Board meeting (June) where the Board are not considering applications for membership which should not cause any issues for clubs given the length of time it then takes to work through the process to gain full membership.

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2 hours ago, Khufu2 said:

The facts are:

 

1. Blackburn United will join the EoSFL on Thursday, subject to acceptance by the EoS membership.

2. Blackburn United's application for SFA membership was noted at last Thursdays SFA board meeting and passed to the SFA Licencing Dept to begin the process.

The only fantasy is the one circulating inside your head. Case closed.

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2 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount. The whole licencing process seems to take months anyway. Are Dalkeith and Blackburn that far down the road it's juts a case of the rubber stamp anyway?

 

 

I wouldn’t disagree with any of that.

Once they join EOS and once the  moratorium is lifted the two clubs can forward their applications. It may or may not be a rubber stamp job, though. 

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7 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said:

In terms of the 'moratorium' on SFA Licensing applications - is says quite clearly (to me anyway) in McKinlay's email that the June board meeting won't consider them and that they hope to have the whole ambiguity resolved by the end of the summer. The prospective Licenced clubs won't get in the Scottish Cup for 2018-19 (I think they'd need to first join the SFA at the AGM and then get the Licence and that won't happen in time) so therefore getting the nod in August, October or Feb '19 is not going to matter a huge amount to Dalkeith, Blackburn, Camelon, whoever. The whole licencing process seems to take months - as noted below - anyway. This moratorium doesn't seem to change much, if anything? 

Blackburn and Dalkeith's applications went before the SFA Board on Thursday and were not subject to the moratorium, they will progress as normal.  Any further applications will be subject to the months moratorium.

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1 hour ago, Goalie Hamish said:

Burnie yer wrang, I think yer man smells of pigeons fae the weege

Doo poo? :lol:

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