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Junior football, what is the future?


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8 hours ago, Goalie Hamish said:

Hearing anither Fife Junior club have made serious enquiries about East of Scotland League membership.

I see Rosyth were awarded Quality Mark 'Development' status by the SFA recently.

It's not the club I had in mind, but you'd think they would have the most to gain by moving to EoS if their new ground (has that happened?) meets the criteria.  A derby with Burntisland! And close to Edinburgh for relatively local games... would make a lot of sense.

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Has there been any feel for how this SJFA survey is going? I'm predicting mixed feedback and therefore status quo.

No surprise that clubs continue to speak to the EoS pre-March deadline. I said a while back that a trickle would turn into a flow eventually. Maybe it will happen quicker than I expected.

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1 hour ago, Burnie_man said:

No surprise that clubs continue to speak to the EoS 

Another key reason is because of this:

https://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/fears-over-the-future-of-under-21s-football-in-midlothian-1-4697511

Bonnyrigg Rose 'A' have traditionally been strong at under 21s, and this season there are very good Tranent and Musselburgh Windsor sides at under 19s - where will the players go next?  The under 20s EoS league is about to expand next season with Kelty, Dalkeith and Ormiston  entering sides, plus 1 of the other Junior clubs that may be making the switch next season.

Newtongrange and Bonnyrigg  could effectively be youth 'feeder clubs' for Dalkeith and Whitehill, with Tranent and Musselburgh promoting players up to Ormiston.

 

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2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:

If it was Hill of Beath as they miss their derby with Kelty as the high point of their season in a Bo'ness vs Lithgae sort of way it could create an interesting dynamic in the Cowdenbeath area in the years ahead if Cowdenbeath get relegated this season.

If Lothian Thistle get their club licence as Kelty Hearts appear to believe is happening in a few weeks (they just installed cover for 120 spectators to get their ground up to the required standard) and the number of promotion places into the Lowland League each season gets increased as is rumoured to be happening, there is a lot less danger of a logjam of top ex-junior clubs developing at the top of the EoS: 

Better to be one of the top junior clubs that gets in early than wait until the LL has flushed out all the substandard Borders and Galloway teams it launched with and the EoS has to add a second division again, if a club is going to make the switch.

Im sure its not Hill Of Beath but they would be a great addition even from a Kelty man, nice ground that would pass Licencing requirements with little needing done if anything.

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Here's your West of Scotland feeder at tier 6 and 7 if the Juniors don't get on board now.

 

Member clubs[edit]

The Caledonian AFL has thirty member clubs, listed below in their individual divisions :

Premier Division[edit]

Division One (A)[edit]

Division One (B)[edit]

 

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Here's your West of Scotland feeder at tier 6 and 7 if the Juniors don't get on board now.
 

Member clubs[edit]

The Caledonian AFL has thirty member clubs, listed below in their individual divisions :

Premier Division[edit]

Division One (A)[edit]

Division One (B)[edit]

 


How can any of them get licenced? Let's keep it real.
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1 hour ago, edinabear said:

Here's your West of Scotland feeder at tier 6 and 7 if the Juniors don't get on board now.

 

Member clubs[edit]

The Caledonian AFL has thirty member clubs, listed below in their individual divisions :

Premier Division[edit]

Division One (A)[edit]

Division One (B)[edit]

 

Why the Caledonian League specifically? The Central Scottish has been the strongest amateur setup for years now - the only advantage of the Caledonian is that at least some of the sides have home grounds, although "grounds" is maybe overstating the case...many of them are just undeveloped corners of public parks.

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6 hours ago, Hillonearth said:

Why the Caledonian League specifically? The Central Scottish has been the strongest amateur setup for years now - the only advantage of the Caledonian is that at least some of the sides have home grounds, although "grounds" is maybe overstating the case...many of them are just undeveloped corners of public parks.

An out of date list too, a few of those sides have gone the way of the dodo. One of the major things that separates Junior from Amateur is longevity. While there are a number of amateur clubs who have been around for years and years, there are also a significant proportion of fly-by-night ventures, akin to the doomed Falkirk Juniors project where mates wanted to play together and as soon as that ended, the club went too. At this level, the club needs to be more than just the playing squad.

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10 hours ago, Che Dail said:

Another key reason is because of this:

https://www.midlothianadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/fears-over-the-future-of-under-21s-football-in-midlothian-1-4697511

Bonnyrigg Rose 'A' have traditionally been strong at under 21s, and this season there are very good Tranent and Musselburgh Windsor sides at under 19s - where will the players go next?  The under 20s EoS league is about to expand next season with Kelty, Dalkeith and Ormiston  entering sides, plus 1 of the other Junior clubs that may be making the switch next season.

Newtongrange and Bonnyrigg  could effectively be youth 'feeder clubs' for Dalkeith and Whitehill, with Tranent and Musselburgh promoting players up to Ormiston.

 

We would also be interested in joining the 20s league next season, our team currently second year 19s. 

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http://www.clydebankfc.com/club-announcement/

The UCS board will now look at different options before a meeting of all members in the near future.

Sounds like they will be applying to the EoS, if there are no quibbles over geography, given the "different options" bit can only mean the EoS or SoS as things stand at the moment.

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I kind of guessed it would come to this.

At first, a mass shaking of heads and nobody interested.

Next, a wee opening is sniffed by some of the more progressive outfits and discussions start.

Next, a lot of clubs scrambling over each other to get into a newly formed league.

 

Those that hold back will then be wondering whether it was wise to be cautious, or annoyed at missing the bus.

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Care to say who, allegedly?  One would expect a Superleague side or is it a surprise package?


I had heard Hill of Beath had made enquiries but only a rumour. Going to be an interesting month leading upto the deadline for East of Scotland League, I think more clubs will show their hand before then.
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On 27/02/2018 at 13:47, kefc said:

Rumours and I must stress that word, “rumours” Iv heard recently -

-Proposals as regards to SJFA clubs going in at LL level or on par with tier 6 will be thrown in the sea without much debate.

-If there was enough West clubs Junior or Ams came forward to join tier 6 then EOS and SOS could be willing to help run and start a new WOS League at tier 6 depending on the interest.

-Junior clubs participation in senior Scottish Cup could be stopped. Money going out this comp to unlicensed Junior clubs isn’t looked upon too well just now by SPFL Clubs.

-The Amateur association could be invited to come in at tier 7 and filter their regional leagues in below, where that would leave the SJFA clubs I don’t know.

Very interesting.

Does anyone know how and when the SJFC results will be published ?

 

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