cmontheloknow Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Can the SJFA really operate at split levels within the pyramid? They're either all in at tier 6 (all regions, that is), or they're all in at tier 7, surely? Teams not going for tier 6 now though... they risk being tier 7 or 8 next season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 The moratorium on applying for an SFA Licence can't last forever. If there is no agreement with the SJFA in June, the SFA has a fallback position of how it was earlier this month in the east by telling the Juniors who want to be in the pyramid to join the EoS to get licensed. The Juniors can continue with whoever is left. Given it's unlikely there would be two tier 6 feeders covering the same area I'm still confused how the SJFA can emerge from negotiations getting what they want. Unless they somehow manage to merge the two leagues and assign divisions based on apparent footballing ability rather than the current situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenvohr6 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. If the East juniors are to join the pyramid, then it must, legally, also be at tier 6. It will be the job of the SFA to facilitate any change, and they would be spending a lot of time in court defending why they discriminated against the East Region juniors should they be placed at tier 7. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Can the SJFA really operate at split levels within the pyramid? They're either all in at tier 6 (all regions, that is), or they're all in at tier 7, surely? No. They can't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, gaz5 said: Its a one month deferral to allow the PWG to meet to discuss the junior proposals. But what's the point of the deferral, other than to cause uncertainty at a key moment. I don't see any logical link between the deferral and allowing the PWG to meet. There's no reason why licence applications can't be accepted while the PWG consider changes to the pyramid setup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. If the East juniors are to join the pyramid, then it must, legally, also be at tier 6. It will be the job of the SFA to facilitate any change, and they would be spending a lot of time in court defending why they discriminated against the East Region juniors should they be placed at tier 7. Legally? Court? behave yersel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Run Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. If the East juniors are to join the pyramid, then it must, legally, also be at tier 6. It will be the job of the SFA to facilitate any change, and they would be spending a lot of time in court defending why they discriminated against the East Region juniors should they be placed at tier 7. Court is not going to come into this. The SJFA are putting forward a proposal to join the pyramid, which will be debated and negotiated, we’ll either get agreement or nothing will change. As it’s the SJFA driving this process now, and they are looking to join existing structures, it’ll be like it or lump it in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. If the East juniors are to join the pyramid, then it must, legally, also be at tier 6. It will be the job of the SFA to facilitate any change, and they would be spending a lot of time in court defending why they discriminated against the East Region juniors should they be placed at tier 7. West of Scotland League at tier 6 gets created. West SJFA at tier 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Auld Heid said: From Camelon FB page Freedom of speech . As a lifelong Camelon Juniors supporter I have looked at all options to joining the east of Scotland league for the club going into this league will be no benefit to Camelon at this moment in time reasons why I say this the truth in the matter is there is a licence embargo put in place for all junior teams which then would not provide the funding as given at a presentation on Tuesday by Camelon Juniors also the ...junior fa have been telling all clubs they will be allowed into teir 6 so why would Camelon be prepared at this moment in time rush into this and give up local derbys with Linlithgow Rose Boness Utd sauchie Juniors ect to travel to extreme places like Eyemouth Tweedmouth Ormiston to name a few which would cost a lot of money to finance surely Camelon need to think about this and get the procedure in place for the Club licence when the time is ready to go Quite clearly this person hasn't "looked at all options" if that's the conclusion they've came to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. Not necessarily. The creation of a West League at tier 6 isn't something I expect to see in the near future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 There currently is no west feeder to the LL, therefore, any west league will be at tier 6. If the East juniors are to join the pyramid, then it must, legally, also be at tier 6. It will be the job of the SFA to facilitate any change, and they would be spending a lot of time in court defending why they discriminated against the East Region juniors should they be placed at tier 7. 1. Why do they need to be at the same level, legally, when there will be no "Junior" grade once all in the pyramid? It will just be "non league", all clubs equal. 2. Why do the SJFA need to be involved in the East at all? Why is the concession not that the SJFA run the feeder in the West and North, where they can come in at Tier 6, with the concession that the EoS retain the East, with any East Junior clubs joining that setup?Remembering that once these changes happen there will be no "Juniors" it will all be part of the Senior pyramid and ask these clubs will be "non league clubs " theres no requirement for the SJFA to run in the East at all, other than self preservation.TBH, I think that is the only logical outcome where both sides make concessions to get the job done and get a workable solution. I may be proven wrong, but in my opinion as we already have an East feeder talk of the entire SJFA dropping in at the same level is fantasy. West (with negotiation with SoS) and North, yes, the SJFA can run those feeders at Tier 6, East clubs join the EoS which is already the feeder there. Job done. 2 East feeders would just be silly.I agree though, the current license "month off" seems pointless. It does suit one party at this point though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardenvohr6 Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Court of Arbitration in Sport for one, Gurnieman.And who are the teams who will be in the West Region, Loknoo? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, Ardenvohr6 said: Court of Arbitration in Sport for one, Gurnieman. And who are the teams who will be in the West Region, Loknoo? And do they have any precedent for telling a national body how to deal with non-league matters? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jason King said: Project Fear works on Dundonald, Dundonald Bluebell - Club Statement After careful consideration Dundonald Bluebell have requested to the east of Scotland league (eosl) that there membership application for this league and association be deferred until the start of season 19/20. The eosl Agm is tonight where it is hoped this request will be accepted. As a club we are committed to joining the pyramid system and working towards obtaining the standard licensing criteria and see this as the future pathway for Dundonald Bluebell. Our decision to defer is basically four fold:- (1) To allow us the time to upgrade our facilities over the next 12 months after receiving advice on what is required to meet the standards. (2) This time period will also give us the time to establish an under 20 youth team which we feel will be of great benefit to the club going forward. (3) The decision has also been influenced by the information received from the SFA to suspend current licence applications for all clubs which concerned us in terms of the delay in timeline impacting on our project plan with no guarantee when this current situation will be revoked nor any guarantee that when lifted the status quo would prevail. (4) Financially it is only beneficial for our club to be licensed at the start of any pyramid inclusion. Can I please on behalf of all at Dundonald Bluebell football club thank eosl and there committee for the professional advice and assistance we as a club have had which has been exceptionally well received. The club now look forward to continued participation in the ersjfa Superleague next season while committing to upgrading our facilities and developing the club both on and off the park to ensure if and when possible we can obtain our licensing requirements Allan Halliday General Manager Dundonald Bluebell It's a puzzling statement. I agree they need to upgrade Moor Park quite a bit & establish an U20 team (although that isn't a Licence requirement), but they could have done that next season whilst in the EoS and still have the chance to qualify for the Scottish Cup for 2019/20 by either winning the EoS or winning the trophy that gives access. Let's face it, they're not giving up lots of cash by leaving the SJFA. Looks like they've swallowed TJ's email. Edited April 26, 2018 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 26, 2018 Author Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: Court of Arbitration in Sport for one, Gurnieman. And who are the teams who will be in the West Region, Loknoo? Seriously? away and open a windae and smell the fresh air, jeezo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Quite clearly this person hasn't "looked at all options" if that's the conclusion they've came to. I like the way they refer to Ormiston as an 'extreme place'. Google has it as a 56 min drive away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, gaz5 said: Remembering that once these changes happen there will be no "Juniors" it will all be part of the Senior pyramid and ask these clubs will be "non league clubs " theres no requirement for the SJFA to run in the East at all, other than self preservation. A lot of people on here don't seem to have realised that yet, the "grade" is gone if TJ gets his way and the "grade" is gone if the more forward looking clubs continue leave. Either way Junior football is done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Che Dail Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ardenvohr6 said: Court of Arbitration in Sport for one, Gurnieman. And who are the teams who will be in the West Region, Loknoo? Whos going to pay for that then? Legal Aid isn't awarded for frivolous claims, and counsel is expensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Quite clearly this person hasn't "looked at all options" if that's the conclusion they've came to. They havery looked at the options they want to see. SJFA cant' guarantee t6. They are making up that noone will get license next year it' been suspended to see what happens. Only way eosfl would be better is if lithgae and Bo'ness come too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted April 26, 2018 Share Posted April 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, bendan said: I like the way they refer to Ormiston as an 'extreme place'. Google has it as a 56 min drive away. Closer to Camelon than Dunbar and Haddington and indeed every team north of the Tay in the current Superleague. I believe from their previous statement that Camelon have worked out the distances and this seasons EoS clubs are on average almost exactly the same distance as this seasons league opponents. I've also been told that the West based Camelon players wont be moving with the club. Just now, Che Dail said: Whos going to pay for that then? Legal Aid isn't awarded for frivolous claims, and counsel is expensive. The Auchinleck 100,000 can each stick a £10 in, that'll start off a fighting fund. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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