Junior football, what is the future?

[Robert James]

2 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

Well I guess you'd rank them in finishing position of both EoS and ERJFA, as things currently stand this is an example of how that would look;

A  good assessment, but if Cove Rangers (unbeaten in the HFL) beat both Spartans and Cowdenbeath in the SPFL  play offs, and Threave (currently top of the SoSL, and an ex-LL club) become champions, and then defeat Kelty or LTHV  for promotion to the Lowland, you would need to add one extra top seeded club to both of your  "Sections". 

And what if a couple of junior clubs make late applications before the EoS AGM ?  Very unlikely, but possible.

[Robert James]

9 hours ago, Robert James said:

A  good assessment, but if Cove Rangers (unbeaten in the HFL) beat both Spartans and Cowdenbeath in the SPFL  play offs, and Threave (currently top of the SoSL, and an ex-LL club) become champions, and then defeat Kelty or LTHV  for promotion to the Lowland, you would need to add one extra top seeded club to both of your  "Sections". 

And what if a couple of junior clubs make late applications before the EoS AGM ?  Very unlikely, but possible.

Should the above happen,  the two extra seeded clubs in the EoS for next season, would be

(1)  Kelty (or LTHV if licensed), as neither club would be promoted to the Lowland if the EoS champion club loses to the Threave Rovers (should they finish this season as SoSL champions)

plus

(2) either Vale of Leithen or Dalbeattie Star, should Cove Rangers win the SPFL play-off with Cowdenbeath (see below) 

 

9 hours ago, Robert James said:

A  good assessment, but if Cove Rangers (unbeaten in the HFL) beat both Spartans and Cowdenbeath in the SPFL  play offs, and Threave (currently top of the SoSL, and an ex-LL club) become champions, and then defeat Kelty or LTHV  for promotion to the Lowland, you would need to add one extra top seeded club to both of your  "Sections". 

And what if a couple of junior clubs make late applications before the EoS AGM ?  Very unlikely, but possible.

On 2/5/18, Dalbeattie Star v Vale of Leithen  would be a deciding LL fixture, as one of them will fill the 15th position in the Lowland League. Gala Fairydean are safe, as Dalbeattie and Vale can't both win this game.

Of course the relegation of Star or Vale to the EoS would only happen if Cove Rangers defeat BOTH Cowdenbeath and Threave (who are currently top of the SoSL, and are favourites to win the SoS League this season), in the SPFL play-offs

[Burnie_man]

There's lots of different connotations, as I said it was only an example for illustrations purposes, and AN Other has no other meaning than there may or may not be 15 clubs coming in!

If the EGM is 26th, then I'd imagine the list of applicants will be circulated to existing members a few days beforehand, so we might find out sooner.

[Jason King]

1 hour ago, Robert James said:

Of course the relegation of Star or Vale to the EoS would only happen if Cove Rangers defeat BOTH Cowdenbeath and Threave (who are currently top of the SoSL, and are favourites to win the SoS League this season), in the SPFL play-offs

Well that'll piss Spartans off no end!

[Goalie Hamish]

Anyone no a wee bit disappointed logging in the day that there was no Sunday Sesh rammy from Dipple this week 

[holme]

 

6 hours ago, Robert James said:

Should the above happen,  the two extra seeded clubs in the EoS for next season, would be

(1)  Kelty (or LTHV if licensed), as neither club would be promoted to the Lowland if the EoS champion club loses to the Threave Rovers (should they finish this season as SoSL champions)

plus

(2) either Vale of Leithen or Dalbeattie Star, should Cove Rangers win the SPFL play-off with Cowdenbeath 

 

On 2/5/18, Dalbeattie Star v Vale of Leithen  would be a deciding LL fixture, as one of them will fill the 15th position in the Lowland League. Gala Fairydean are safe, as Dalbeattie and Vale can't both win this game.

Of course the relegation of Star or Vale to the EoS would only happen if Cove Rangers defeat BOTH Cowdenbeath and Threave (who are currently top of the SoSL, and are favourites to win the SoS League this season), in the SPFL play-offs

I think Dalbeattie would go to the SOS.

Vale are the most likely of the 2 to  finish 2nd bottom 

[froggie]

21 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

No, that's not the truth.

Of course it is. Teams are  not going to say 'we've cocked up big time' if it all goes wrong, they will claim it's a success whatever happens.  Still paying five or six quid? Still happily enjoying a pint on the terrace? Not paying fines for transgressing petty rules that make no sense and nobody but a fart in an FA suit cares about? Being told you've got to pay for unnecessary 'improvements'? Come back in a couple of years when the reality takes over from  the speculation it can only be now. That's when you can evaluate...certainly not before the hidden agendas appear and half a dozen 'viable' juniors are given preferential kickbacks and the rest left to rot. We shall see...

[Burnie_man]

5 minutes ago, froggie said:

Of course it is. Teams are  not going to say 'we've cocked up big time' if it all goes wrong, they will claim it's a success whatever happens.  Still paying five or six quid? Still happily enjoying a pint on the terrace? Not paying fines for transgressing petty rules that make no sense and nobody but a fart in an FA suit cares about? Being told you've got to pay for unnecessary 'improvements'? Come back in a couple of years when the reality takes over from  the speculation it can only be now. That's when you can evaluate...certainly not before the hidden agendas appear and half a dozen 'viable' juniors are given preferential kickbacks and the rest left to rot. We shall see...

You forgot to mention "corporate whorehouses" 

[Jason King]

15 minutes ago, froggie said:

Of course it is. Teams are  not going to say 'we've cocked up big time' if it all goes wrong, they will claim it's a success whatever happens.  Still paying five or six quid? Still happily enjoying a pint on the terrace? Not paying fines for transgressing petty rules that make no sense and nobody but a fart in an FA suit cares about? Being told you've got to pay for unnecessary 'improvements'? Come back in a couple of years when the reality takes over from  the speculation it can only be now. That's when you can evaluate...certainly not before the hidden agendas appear and half a dozen 'viable' juniors are given preferential kickbacks and the rest left to rot. We shall see...

Prices in the LL are generally on a par with the top flight of the East and West Juniors, the Shire charge £8 but the rest are around £5 and £6.

Some of us can go more than 90 minutes without alcohol.

Fines and petty rules sums up the West region perfectly.

The improvements are required to ensure that grounds are up to the standards of the league so you can be promoted up through the pyramid - they aren't unnecessary if you want your club to thrive at a higher level.

The reality may be that the Juniors moving into the pyramid doesn't work for some clubs but as has been continually stated these clubs aren't entering expecting to be in the SPFL within 3 years. These are clubs using the resources available to them to become better over the long term.

[Che Dail]

3 hours ago, froggie said:

Of course it is. Teams are  not going to say 'we've cocked up big time' if it all goes wrong, they will claim it's a success whatever happens.  Still paying five or six quid? Still happily enjoying a pint on the terrace? Not paying fines for transgressing petty rules that make no sense and nobody but a fart in an FA suit cares about? Being told you've got to pay for unnecessary 'improvements'? Come back in a couple of years when the reality takes over from  the speculation it can only be now. That's when you can evaluate...certainly not before the hidden agendas appear and half a dozen 'viable' juniors are given preferential kickbacks and the rest left to rot. We shall see...

WOE BETIDE THE CLUB... 

Here's a Billy Connolly sketch to help lift you out that depressing doomsday state:

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Che Dail

[lithgierose]

47 minutes ago, Jason King said:

Prices in the LL are generally on a par with the top flight of the East and West Juniors, the Shire charge £8 but the rest are around £5 and £6.

Some of us can go more than 90 minutes without alcohol.

Fines and petty rules sums up the West region perfectly.

The improvements are required to ensure that grounds are up to the standards of the league so you can be promoted up through the pyramid - they aren't unnecessary if you want your club to thrive at a higher level.

The reality may be that the Juniors moving into the pyramid doesn't work for some clubs but as has been continually stated these clubs aren't entering expecting to be in the SPFL within 3 years. These are clubs using the resources available to them to become better over the long term.

Could be more for the shire next season.falkirk stadium wont come cheaply.

[drs]

4 minutes ago, lithgierose said:

Could be more for the shire next season.falkirk stadium wont come cheaply.

Stirling Uni charge £5 for home games there and they have a far smaller home crowd than the Shire and I think someone in the Shire thread said it would be cheaper than hiring Ochilview. Even Falkirk Juniors (RIP) managed to use it as a home ground and sometimes I was the only person not related to a player at their games

Edited April 16, 2018 by drs

[lithgierose]

1 minute ago, drs said:

Stirling Uni charge £5 for home games there and they have a far smaller home crowd than the Shire.

Will stirling uni be using tfs next season.could get a bit crowded.

[Jacksgranda]

11 minutes ago, lithgierose said:

Will stirling uni be using tfs next season.could get a bit crowded.

I don't think they'll all be playing at the same time...

[Auld Heid]

Makes a bit of a mockery of things - when clubs are hiring grounds to play games.  That's what they do in pub leagues - all scramble on a Monday to hire a park.

Surely there must be some sort of guarantee that a club is able to fulfill fixtures at a prescribed date/time.   Although the cost to hire for a game may be expensive that only occurs when they are at home. Clubs with their own facilities incur overheads 52 weeks of a year.

 

[Burnie_man]

4 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Makes a bit of a mockery of things - when clubs are hiring grounds to play games.  That's what they do in pub leagues - all scramble on a Monday to hire a park.

It's not even remotely similar, as you very well know.

[HTG]

8 minutes ago, Auld Heid said:

Makes a bit of a mockery of things - when clubs are hiring grounds to play games.  That's what they do in pub leagues - all scramble on a Monday to hire a park.

Surely there must be some sort of guarantee that a club is able to fulfill fixtures at a prescribed date/time.   Although the cost to hire for a game may be expensive that only occurs when they are at home. Clubs with their own facilities incur overheads 52 weeks of a year.

 

To be fair, the San Siro always tends to kick these arguments into touch. If it's good enough for Champions League winners etc. Otherwise it can be a source of frustration for folk like us who knock our pan in to develop the ground - sometimes at the expense of our ability on the pitch when you could do a BSC and chuck a couple of quid on to the punters bill to pay the rent. Lot less hassle. But Milan ...

[lithgierose]

1 hour ago, drs said:

Stirling Uni charge £5 for home games there and they have a far smaller home crowd than the Shire and I think someone in the Shire thread said it would be cheaper than hiring Ochilview. Even Falkirk Juniors (RIP) managed to use it as a home ground and sometimes I was the only person not related to a player at their games

Think your getting mixed up here.the shire are ground sharing with falkirk fc.falkirk juniors played at grangemouth stadium.

[drs]

9 minutes ago, lithgierose said:

Think your getting mixed up here.the shire are ground sharing with falkirk fc.falkirk juniors played at grangemouth stadium.

Nope, Falkirk Juniors also used the Falkirk Stadium, I saw them play Haddington there when Grangemouth was unavailable. Also saw them play a home game at Camelon - they got about owing to not having first call on the Stadium.

Edited April 16, 2018 by drs

[froggie]

2 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

You forgot to mention "corporate whorehouses" 

I thought I'd leave that to a corporate whore's customer instead!