LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, MarkoRaj said: The problem isn't voting for Corbyn. The problem is that they need their vote on every single bit of legislation they pass so they will all need to suit the DUP, who are actually a bit more economically liberal than their social policies would indicate... Not much gets done in hung parliaments usually in legislative terms and it doesn't always have to be the DUP that get them over the line. There's a niche available for the Lib Dems to step in if the DUP demand anything that's too out of kilter with the mainstream of British politics. They only really need the DUP on confidence motions and until Brexit is firmly settled with no special status for NI, I can't see Arlene Foster and co wanting another general election as that is absolutely critical for NI's relationship to the rest of the UK in the years ahead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Not much gets done in hung parliaments usually in legislative terms and it doesn't always have to be the DUP that get them over the line. There's a niche available for the Lib Dems to step in if the DUP demand anything that's too out of kilter with the mainstream of British politics. They only really need the DUP on confidence motions and until Brexit is firmly settled with no special status for NI, I can't see Arlene Foster and co wanting another general election as that is absolutely critical for NI's relationship to the rest of the UK in the years ahead. all this talk seems to have left one thing out but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, don't the torries have a majority in practical terms? there are 650 seats in the commons meaning 325 is the magic number, the torries have 318, sinn fein have 7 that don't go and the speaker doesn't vote so doesn't that make their 318 enough to get thing through? surely its their own members that can f**k things up rather than the opposition? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: all this talk seems to have left one thing out but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, don't the torries have a majority in practical terms? there are 650 seats in the commons meaning 325 is the magic number, the torries have 318, sinn fein have 7 that don't go and the speaker doesn't vote so doesn't that make their 318 enough to get thing through? surely its their own members that can f**k things up rather than the opposition? 650 seats in House of Commons - 7 Sinn Fein = 643 - 1 Speaker = 642 317 Tories (excluding the speaker) against 325 others 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: all this talk seems to have left one thing out but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, don't the torries have a majority in practical terms? there are 650 seats in the commons meaning 325 is the magic number, the torries have 318, sinn fein have 7 that don't go and the speaker doesn't vote so doesn't that make their 318 enough to get thing through? surely its their own members that can f**k things up rather than the opposition? As I understand, and in addition to above, the EVEL issue means that the Scottish Tories are unable to vote on certain issues, further diminishing their influence. Edited June 22, 2017 by Gaz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 They can get things through when the DUP abstains, which gives them a bit of breathing space, unfortunately as we would probably not be facing hard Brexit otherwise. People voting anti-SNP rather than anti-Tory tactically in a Scottish context swung whether we would have a soft or a hard Brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Gaz said: As I understand, and in addition to above, the EVEL issue means that the Scottish Tories are unable to vote on certain issues, further diminishing their influence. Not a problem for them if/when the SNP steer clear but the SNP often argue that Barnett Formula implications make a lot of what appear on the surface to be England/Wales only issues relevant to Scotland as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 They can get things through when the DUP abstains, which gives them a bit of breathing space, unfortunately as we would probably not be facing hard Brexit otherwise. People voting anti-SNP rather than anti-Tory tactically in a Scottish context swung whether we would have a soft or a hard Brexit. This... and it's the farmers and fisherman who did. Turkeys voting for Christmas.. utter morons. Mind you I'm sure Ruthie will get May to replace what's lost through the Cap grants... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 As I understand, and in addition to above, the EVEL issue means that the Scottish Tories are unable to vote on certain issues, further diminishing their influence. Irrelevant, Tories have 60+ majority in England. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Come on Arlene get your dosh for the 6 counties and stand in line. (great wee ditties) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Any chance Arlene could get a few mates of mine some spare tickets for that soccer game after the big walk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Taking some time to set up a Tory/DUP deal. Eff knows what the dups are asking for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Taking some time to set up a Tory/DUP deal. Eff knows what the dups are asking for. Maybe there are back door conversations going on with the Lib Dems. That would be hilarious 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 15 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Maybe there are back door conversations going on with the Lib Dems. That would be hilarious Perhaps why Farron left - so that his successor can pretend it was only the God-bothered who said "no deals". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 15 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Maybe there are back door conversations going on with the Lib Dems. That would be hilarious Who cares? As long as they don't let the Antichrist in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) Says at the bottom, "Published by the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster", so it wasn't really a DUP poster. There's plenty of valid reasons to have a go at them without making stuff up. 17 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: Maybe there are back door conversations going on with the Lib Dems. That would be hilarious Suspect the Tories and the DUP are waiting for the Drumcree parade and possibly the 12th to be out of the way before announcing anything. Edited June 26, 2017 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 £1.5bn to Northern Ireland, but the Government claim there's no Barnett consequentials because it's for "specific projects". Over to you, David Mundell... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 For the duration of the parliament apparently so this could conceivably last for five years. Well done to Labour voters that voted Tory tactically in seats like Ochil and South Perthshire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/docs26062017/Confidence+and+Supply+Agreement+between+the+Conservative+Party+and+the+D....pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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