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2 hours ago, Nowhereman said:


How will that work with segregation We have a bar in the ground and have always been told that away supporters can't get in because of segregation

 

Segregation won't be too much of an issue, especially for away fans cos the 1983 Lounge is in the David H Will stand where the majority of fans will enter anyway.  It will disadvantage the home fans cos if its segregated they will be told to enter the cemetery end instead unless using the lounge in which case I would suspect that the home fans will be 'escorted' to the cemetery end via the main stand before the match.

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On 2017-6-15 at 14:31, CityDave said:

Up here in Inverness we suffer badly from Rangers and Celtic full stop, never mind Greenock being just along the Clyde a few miles from the ugly sisters, its the same for everyone all over the country.

Yep. It's a complete red herring that only clubs near Glasgow suffer from losing fans to the OF.  I'd wager as many come from Inverness to Ibrox or Celtic Park as they do from the likes of Greenock, Falkirk, Dumbarton etc.  There's even buses from Wick and Thuro and Alness and Dingwall every week.  Sometimes 2 for each team.

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13 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Yep. It's a complete red herring that only clubs near Glasgow suffer from losing fans to the OF.  I'd wager as many come from Inverness to Ibrox or Celtic Park as they do from the likes of Greenock, Falkirk, Dumbarton etc.  There's even buses from Wick and Thuro and Alness and Dingwall every week.  Sometimes 2 for each team.

Supporters of other teams who go aren't that much of a problem. It is people who state an interest in football but don't actually go anywhere that should be the target. But what can you do? Football is not compulsory. The football authorities and clubs need to do more to attract lapsed and young supporters. I'm not convinced there is a big market of potential "customers" in the 20 to 40 age group just now.

For a start the SPFL and the clubs could stop being complete arseholes. 

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Just posting out a thought but wouldn't it be great if say the SPFL could work a deal with Scotrail to allow for discounted travel prices for matchday ticket holders.  The price of transport in Scotland is a far bigger issue to me than a couple of quid here and there at the actual grounds. 

 

 

Scotrail charge folk £30 odd quid just for their own railcards, so there is absolutely no way they'd give a free deal to the SPFL. Then you'd need to prove that significantly more people would use the train as a result of the deal to negate the losses arising from it, which almost certainly won't happen. Why is any business going to risk the football fan cash cow for that.

 

Agreed that transport is the biggest cost, certainly for me even for home games. Even with a season ticket taking admission away, my basic home game trips start at £25 (that's just transport with basic subsistence during the Montrose connection)

 

However, the fixture list is out and there are cheap advance tickets available, far cheaper than any agreed deal would be. Of course, there's the inevitably that games will be postponed and this becomes problematic where unused bookings get no refund, but even in the case of a Scotrail agreement, do you really think some jobsworth train guard will let you use a Saturday-dated match day ticket on a rearranged Wednesday night? "it's still got the stub on it, I can show you the fixtures on my phone, honest!" etc etc.

 

Finally, there's also the issue that pretty much no League One / Two sell paper tickets. You may say that it's a club's fault for not offering a service to let fans have access to a rail deal, but this requires extra staff time at the club's expense just in casefans want to take the train. It just strikes me as being rather unfair across the board and full of holes.

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I agree it's unlikely but it was just a fact. £2 extra at Dumbarton bothers me less than a £35 return ticket to Dunfermline or something.

I don't know where you're getting the 'unfair' from people not being ripped off for a change though.

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I don't know where you're getting the 'unfair' from people not being ripped off for a change though.

 

 

If you were going to have a deal between Scotrail and the SPFL, then you'd need to make sure that it was available to all SPFL teams from Celtic down to Cowdenbeath. Not letting a large chunk of fans have access is the unfair part where it's logistically unfeasible for most clubs to provide a season-long ticketing system.

 

I understand your underlying point that it may be 'nicer' to see some fans screwed over rather than absolutely everybody, but you can't do that fairly in the supposed name of the SPFL. Individual clubs, yes. Whole organisation, no.

 

I agree it's unlikely but it was just a fact. £2 extra at Dumbarton bothers me less than a £35 return ticket to Dunfermline or something.

 

True, but it's a bit like saying that it's perfectly acceptable to suddenly hike the price of the pies, programme or the 50/50 simply because it's a fraction of the admission price.

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Let's go down this route of my post not being completely hypothetical then since you're keen on taking apart what is essentially an idealistic fantasy. 

I would probably say f**k Cowdenbeath. If teams didn't want to print off tickets to save their supporters a few quid on the train they could take it up with their clubs. If such a proposal wasn't just a rant about rail prices from me imagine thousands of supporters up and down the country being denied cheaper rail travel because some glorified pub teams at the bottom didn't have a printer for their dozen travelling fans?

Dear me of all the logistical red tape that would stop any deal its.. tracks(!), and there would be many, that would be about the least important.

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On 6/9/2017 at 16:39, TheMessiah said:

as it stands, missing three games and paying at the gate is cheaper than buying a ST, that is daft. 

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this... For example I have my brother's birthday on the 19th so will miss Falkirk game already.

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21 hours ago, TheScarf said:

Yep. It's a complete red herring that only clubs near Glasgow suffer from losing fans to the OF.  I'd wager as many come from Inverness to Ibrox or Celtic Park as they do from the likes of Greenock, Falkirk, Dumbarton etc.  There's even buses from Wick and Thuro and Alness and Dingwall every week.  Sometimes 2 for each team.

Whilst I agree that clubs near Glasgow aren't the only ones to suffer, I not sure I agree that as many come from Inverness than the likes of Dumbarton. If you're judging it by the number of buses leaving each town then there are 2 that leave from the nearest pub to our ground alone, that's before you get to the masonic hall/Celtic club who all send various numbers of buses every week. Put yourself on any train going from Dumbarton into Glasgow on match day and you'll see even more of them fleeing the town for glory. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that people who live 15 miles from the ground of either side are more likely to travel to the games than folk who live 200 miles away.

That said, I agree with Sergeant Wilson when he says these people aren't really the problem - they are lost to these sides and at least they're attending games. It's the folk who would rather watch the scores coming in on TV whilst wearing their Rangers/Celtic tops that are a bigger problem. Quite what we do to target these folk is another issue though, especially when the whole footballing world appears to be hell bent on making things "better" for the TV fan.

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On 2017-6-26 at 07:29, Sergeant Wilson said:

Supporters of other teams who go aren't that much of a problem. It is people who state an interest in football but don't actually go anywhere that should be the target. But what can you do? Football is not compulsory. The football authorities and clubs need to do more to attract lapsed and young supporters. I'm not convinced there is a big market of potential "customers" in the 20 to 40 age group just now.

I disagree.

People who like football sufficiently to spend time and money travelling the country watching it, but feel the need to attach themselves to something big and bigoted is absolutely the problem.

I don't see our clubs tempting such types away very successfully, but there is not really a big issue in this country connected to too few attending games at all.

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On 6/26/2017 at 15:18, Fungi said:

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking this... For example I have my brother's birthday on the 19th so will miss Falkirk game already.

Take him to the game. That's his present sorted too!

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On 6/25/2017 at 13:41, Nowhereman said:


How will that work with segregation We have a bar in the ground and have always been told that away supporters can't get in because of segregation

The only segregated games will be the United ones. For these games the public bar is obviously off limits to home fans but will be used for hospitality guests. 

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18 hours ago, theoriginalhedge said:

The only segregated games will be the United ones. For these games the public bar is obviously off limits to home fans but will be used for hospitality guests. 

Think that will be the first time in the six years we have been in the Championship that a game won't be segregated.

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1 hour ago, Nowhereman said:

Think that will be the first time in the six years we have been in the Championship that a game won't be segregated.

Why the need for segregation with 600 fans max at the game ?    Alloa are the perfect example of this stupidity. 

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