theoriginalhedge Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Twinkle said: I can tell you that the players have stopped playing for him. That comes from one of the regular first team players Eta - whether that is in regards to effort or the fact the players lost faith is a different story This backs up my argument in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 As I said , this is how football is fucked. If you are employed as an underling for a business of any type and you fail to do your job , you ( not your manager ) undergo a series of warnings before being punted. What chance does a football manager have when the players he took on in good faith fail to deliver, safe in the knowledge that they won't even be questioned over their performance ? The following manager then has the task of working with these players hoping they won't do the same to him . If that is the way successful businesses run then god help them . Players should be held as responsible for failure as the manager and the gullible fans should let them know about it. Contracts should be drawn up to factor in such failure. Seez peace. You obviously can't go and get rid of all the players if things aren't going well. That's not how football works. Does that mean it's fucked? No not at all. It's completely different to any other business.Stop being stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 43 minutes ago, theoriginalhedge said: This backs up my argument in a nutshell. If McKinnon has lost the dressing room then it simply confirms that he had to go. He signed virtually every single player. If they no longer have confidence in him then he has no chance. It's disappointing but it doesn't undermine the decision to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 United should be winning this league and rather comfortably. I've been baffled at some of the shite they've signed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Spot on, all his stuff* will be in black bin bags by now, off you pop Ray, and don't come back again. *the lucky gonk, and the framed picture of his cat. Gonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 He paid money for Toshney which should've been a sackable offence on its own never mind the recent results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 He paid money for Toshney which should've been a sackable offence on its own never mind the recent results. Toshney was our poty the season before so you can see why he wanted him. He's obviously just turned to pish for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Just now, grumswall said: Toshney was our poty the season before so you can see why he wanted him. He's obviously just turned to pish for you guys. Never played for us thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Toshney might have turned out to be the Scottish Baresi, but we'll never know as McKinnon insisted on playing him at right back when every single person who had watched him in his POTY season said his best position was centre back. To me he always looked like someone who gives 100% but has only recently started playing football, like that mate you have who plays rugby but started coming along to fives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Flood in paper saying he still reckons McKinnon was the man to turn it around. He diminishes in my eyes each and every week and that's no mean feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 4 hours ago, theoriginalhedge said: As I said , this is how football is fucked. If you are employed as an underling for a business of any type and you fail to do your job , you ( not your manager ) undergo a series of warnings before being punted. What chance does a football manager have when the players he took on in good faith fail to deliver, safe in the knowledge that they won't even be questioned over their performance ? The following manager then has the task of working with these players hoping they won't do the same to him . If that is the way successful businesses run then god help them . Players should be held as responsible for failure as the manager and the gullible fans should let them know about it. Contracts should be drawn up to factor in such failure. You could add into that argument the players that ended up getting the manager punted in the first place are safe till either a. january or b. they managed to negotiate a release, so you have a potential problem player thats secure in a job to f*ck up the next manager. This is where i think the transfer windown should be scrapped it wont have any impact on Celtic running away with the league Sevco arent the club they used to be so you dont have the same problems with players being bought to weaken opposition through the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Flood in paper saying he still reckons McKinnon was the man to turn it around. He diminishes in my eyes each and every week and that's no mean feat. Hes'not exactly going to say anything else though until his sacking is confirmed or that would be the end of his united career under Mckinnon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 11 hours ago, Black and White Tragic said: I think it’ll be the McIntyre/Dodds dream team. That’s got me more worried than any of the other potential candidates. McIntyre impressed me as Pars boss. Signed lower league boys like Cardle, Bell, Gibson and had them tear up the league before closing out the title with Rusty and Hardie. When the pressure was on us the players breezed through games you expected to be nervy. Would rather United looked elsewhere, though their track record of turning previously impressive managers to shite should give us hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 59 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Flood in paper saying he still reckons McKinnon was the man to turn it around. He diminishes in my eyes each and every week and that's no mean feat. Flood will be loyal to McKinnon because McKinnon has been loyal to him. He's played him even when he's been awful. Given Flood's performance on Saturday I'm surprised he has the audacity to offer an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifeArab Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Who gives a f**k what Willo Flood thinks, he shouldve been punted In the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbycoxblue Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 How did the noisy neighbour pish go ? [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Flood will be loyal to McKinnon because McKinnon has been loyal to him. He's played him even when he's been awful. Given Flood's performance on Saturday I'm surprised he has the audacity to offer an opinion. He still playing full back ? bewildering the money you have at your disposal and you end up playing midfielders for full backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabGaz Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 How did the noisy neighbour pish go ? [emoji23] If they’re taking the boos into consideration then it was probably fairly loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, MrDust said: He still playing full back ? bewildering the money you have at your disposal and you end up playing midfielders for full backs Same with Murdoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Same with Murdoch. My use of midfielders was aiming at Murdoch.... Both make Muirhead look like Danny McGrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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