stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Sending someone to watch the opposition once would be fine at higher levels, since the amount of video footage available for Premiership games would allow analysts (do we have any) to sit and trawl through, and then the scout/AM/Ray himself would only need to see them once to confirm. It's almost as if we've stuck to the structure, but forgotten that we have pretty much lost all access to the extra data. As far as I know we don't have any data analysts at the club and in terms of video analysis we only use the footage after the fact so there is none that we use before each game (apart from maybe goals from the last time we played that particular team). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, stumigoo said: As far as I know we don't have any data analysts at the club and in terms of video analysis we only use the footage after the fact so there is none that we use before each game (apart from maybe goals from the last time we played that particular team). This annoys me. Not just with us, but football in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Just now, Mark Connolly said: This annoys me. Not just with us, but football in general. It is shocking. There are so many good sources of information out there, even amateur guys just doing it online. I follow a couple on Twitter and I think it is a disgrace that clubs are not utilising it more. There must be so many data students or sports students who would do this stuff on a freelance basis and it might make a big difference in certain games. I remember reading about someone who was (I think) at either Stranraer or possibly Stenhousemuir who was doing data analysis and ended up down at Brentford as a key part of their scouting and analyst team. Scottish football is generally pretty shit so teams should be looking for any little extra bit of help they can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, stumigoo said: It is shocking. There are so many good sources of information out there, even amateur guys just doing it online. I follow a couple on Twitter and I think it is a disgrace that clubs are not utilising it more. There must be so many data students or sports students who would do this stuff on a freelance basis and it might make a big difference in certain games. I remember reading about someone who was (I think) at either Stranraer or possibly Stenhousemuir who was doing data analysis and ended up down at Brentford as a key part of their scouting and analyst team. Scottish football is generally pretty shit so teams should be looking for any little extra bit of help they can get. Other sports (and even some schools) use sites like coachlogic which allow the players and coaches to go and do it themselves - as long as you have the video, you can do pretty much any type of analysis you want. I'm not sure if it's still in place, but the SRU had an agreement with clubs that they would all make the match footage available to each other. Football is so far behind in terms of "sports science", which they still see as having one kebab instead of 4 after running a lap of the pitch for training instead of up and down the stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddist Monk Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 So this is completely out of context with the rest of the comments, but I thought I'd add this little story in.... During the summer I was travelling and found myself on the German/Austrian border. I was stopped at a rest stop and this car pulled up next to me. They were all Greek lads driving from Netherlands to Greece - fair play to them I say. Anyway, long story short we got talking and when they asked where I was from I mentioned Scotland to which there were whoops of joy shouted from my new friend and his travelling companions. Then they explained to me, they were all fans of Ionikos and their favourite player was (you've probably guessed) Craig Brewster. One guy even had a Brewster/Ionikos tattoo. These guys were in their early 20s so no idea why they had such a stiffy for Brewster as he'd have played and left by the time these guys were toddlers but they did fucking love them. They then went on to talk about Dundee United, the strips, the players, the ground and their general place in Scottish football. Thanks to things like Fifa, Football Manager and (of course) the Internet, I'd say we are all far more educated about foreign clubs and their relevant players, but these guys certainly knew their stuff (well for Greek guys living in Netherlands, anyway). So, again, sorry for the out of context story, just thought I'd add it to the thread. Your league campaign might be stuttering a little but at least you know you have a small pocket of avid Greek fans touring Europe talking up the Arabs and, of course, Craig Brewster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 As far as I know we don't have any data analysts at the club and in terms of video analysis we only use the footage after the fact so there is none that we use before each game (apart from maybe goals from the last time we played that particular team). Surprised that you lot don't have a Data Analyst whilst the "dinosaur" Tommy Wright utilises one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo 2013 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 As far as I know we don't have any data analysts at the club and in terms of video analysis we only use the footage after the fact so there is none that we use before each game (apart from maybe goals from the last time we played that particular team). As a neutral I know your club are very big into scouting opponents and video analysing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Dynamo 2013 said: As a neutral I know your club are very big into scouting opponents and video analysing. Really? Not what I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo 2013 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Your information is wrong. Believe me when you've sat next to the guys at opposition grounds as often as me you'd be convinced. End of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Dynamo 2013 said: Your information is wrong. Believe me when you've sat next to the guys at opposition grounds as often as me you'd be convinced. End of... I know for a fact we have one guy who scouts opposition on regular basis and goes to see them the week before we play them. I don't know of anyone else who does this for our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo 2013 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Couple of young guys do the video analysing as well covering different parts of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Dynamo 2013 said: Couple of young guys do the video analysing as well covering different parts of the country. If that is true then fair enough, I had previously been told that we had our one opposition scout but that nobody based at the club was doing the analysis stuff. Sounds like these guys are maybe more freelance or work out with the club? Either way I think our pre-match analysis, or at least the use of the data is obviously missing something (or McKinnon doesn't know what to do with it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Arab 83 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Couple of young guys do the video analysing as well covering different parts of the country. Ha...........they musta missed out Dumbarton [emoji35] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Or they are as hopeless as our manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Ray McKinnon must stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 If we studied and analysed other teams' tactics we would be obliged to develop strategies to address and undermine them. That's not the United, sorry the McKinnon, way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Arab 83 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 In 3 months time when UTD are 9 points clear at the top we'll all be begging him to stay. [emoji12][emoji12][emoji12] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge of allan bairn Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 At this stage it is clear we have the players to put in decent performances but they are being poorly coached and organised. sounds familiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumigoo Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Just now, bridge of allan bairn said: sounds familiar Next week should be an amazing spectacle of football. Given that both sets of fans now want their managers gone this is absolutely a stick on for a draw so that the pain continues for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetterlund Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The only positive is that we're only 2 points off the top, behind teams who have by all accounts played well this season while we have been terrible. Unfortunately there are no signs that we're likely to improve any time soon. I suspect we will contnue to plod along like this, staying 'in touch' with the leaders while not improving, but doing just enough to keep McKinnon in a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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