elmejorjay Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Thought I'd put this wee thing together, commented on a post the other day where a guy gave his own opinion of success or failure for each team this season. Seen a similar thing done with the EPL so why not for us eh lol! St Johnstone and Partick fair play to them for their efforts, especially St Johnstone who are consistently top-6. I didn't realise Inverness ranked 6th for wages, definitely felt man for man they were 'too good' to go down but said the same with Dundee United and Hibs in the past. Got the wages stuff from when they were released last year, this is the Herald link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Ross County 9th & St Johnston 10th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Skidmarks Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I like your graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, elmejorjay said: Thought I'd put this wee thing together, commented on a post the other day where a guy gave his own opinion of success or failure for each team this season. Seen a similar thing done with the EPL so why not for us eh lol! St Johnstone and Partick fair play to them for their efforts, especially St Johnstone who are consistently top-6. I didn't realise Inverness ranked 6th for wages, definitely felt man for man they were 'too good' to go down but said the same with Dundee United and Hibs in the past. Got the wages stuff from when they were released last year, this is the Herald link Ah right, so it wasn't from here then... Dougie Wright @dougie_analysis Follow More 10:33 PM - 21 May 2017 How did each Scottish Premiership club finish compared to their budget? League's biggest over/under achievers here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Those figures are guess work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Appreciate the effort Elme, very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezz Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Did the Dougie Analysis guy on twitter not already do this? Also, you got Motherwell and Dundee round the wrong way in the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 It's nonsense and guesswork mixed together. What St Johnstone pay isn't even revealed to its shareholders, so not sure why they'd release sensitive data to a website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Hamilton Accies budget to finish last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Killie right on par. Bang average. Refusing to overachieve or disappoint. Proving why we'll always be the biggest team in the Meh Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Budgets are an excuse for bad managers and coaches end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggie52 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Roll on the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Apart the wage bill figures being pure guesswork, the actual metric of "average wage per first team player" is also nonsense. First of all, everyone will have a different definition of what a "first team player" is - do youth players become first teamers as soon as they make their debut? Or after 10 games? Or not until they reach a certain age? More importantly, the metric punishes teams who decide to operate with a smaller squad - if Team A and Team B both have a wage budget of £4m per year, and Team A signs 20 really good players while Team B signs 40 mediocre ones, then this would show up Team B as having "lower wages" despite paying out the exact amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingboots Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 End of the day, you know fine well if your clubs punching or not. You don't need graphs of wages x position, or points x wages as I saw last week. You win games you're happy, you lose you're not, and a graph doesn't make that any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, shootingboots said: End of the day, you know fine well if your clubs punching or not. You don't need graphs of wages x position, or points x wages as I saw last week. You win games you're happy, you lose you're not, and a graph doesn't make that any different. Agreed, I think this is over analysis of the situation and probably based on suspect data and statistics. Essentially is your team are doing well then the players are worth every penny but if they're doing badly then the players are not worth their wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I've looked into this before and used the figure each club spends on wages. St Johnstone don't release their wages figure anywhere so difficult to tell with them. However, estimating based on a wages to turnover %, I have them spending about £2.8m minimum per year, It could easily be a bit higher. Ross County spend £3m. It's possible that Saints had the 5th highest budget in the league last season. Eta: These figures are wages for the entire club but materially it's the football personnel so a decent indicator of what's spent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: Apart the wage bill figures being pure guesswork, the actual metric of "average wage per first team player" is also nonsense. First of all, everyone will have a different definition of what a "first team player" is - do youth players become first teamers as soon as they make their debut? Or after 10 games? Or not until they reach a certain age? More importantly, the metric punishes teams who decide to operate with a smaller squad - if Team A and Team B both have a wage budget of £4m per year, and Team A signs 20 really good players while Team B signs 40 mediocre ones, then this would show up Team B as having "lower wages" despite paying out the exact amount. ^^^ Exactly the reasons why it's not worth paying any attention to the Sporting Intelligence figures when they get released. Fair play to the OP for trying to Lad Bible some other persons work by the way (Unless the OP is the same Twitter user). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Saints budget for 10th whether that puts us ahead of others in the league is an unknown, because we've no idea what budgeting for 10th actually is? Plus it's pretty well known we pay low wages, but higher bonuses to incentive players, so that skews the figures. Still who doesn't like close season guessing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Its a rough estimate, based on clubs' overall expenditure on wages and knowledge of some individual player wages and a lot of guesswork to come up with an approximate figure. Can anyone really argue with any certainty that the placings used aren't wildly wrong? It doesn't really tell us anything we didn't already know, other than to make it even clearer that Dundee (and maybe the only surprise in the list) ICT have been rotten, Thistle had a good season, while the job Tommy Wright is doing consistently at St Johnstone is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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