BBC Scottish Leaders Debate (21/05/17, 19:30)

[Lex]

5 minutes ago, btb said:

 

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No killer blows landed and all parties claiming victory, nothing changes.................

Yep, hence why I gave up watching them years ago. 

[ayrmad]

5 minutes ago, btb said:

The only value in these shows is seeing politicians having to answer questions from realpeople, after 10 years in power in Holyrood it's only natural that the SNP should have to face questions about their record. I thought NS coped as well as could be expected but RD's mask is really beginning to slip - where has the cheery jolly hockeysticks personna she managed to keep up for most of the 2015 campaign gone, the guy with Asperger's really seemed to rattle her.

Outside of that I thought Harvie sounded assured and competent but have Labour got nothing more constructive to school KD in than that unconvincing "Mrs. Angry" routine?

I found the section asking party hacks who'd won the debate totally pointless and at the end felt that everyone in the room could smell the ham coming from the nurse. A bit naughty of Joanna Cherry going over the top and then having to retract, she should leave that to the nutters who post on football forums except none of us ever retract, anything, ever!

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No killer blows landed and all parties claiming victory, nothing changes.................

I'm of the opposite opinion, I thought quite a lot of what the realpeople threw up was shite for a GE campaign called due to Brexit.

Scottish debates are a waste of time now, same shite different day rather than the important issues that were in the Conservative and Labour manifestos.

[Dipped Flake]

37 minutes ago, Loondave1 said:

SUN loves the SNP though very useful.

NO, the Sun hates the labour party so in Scotland it supports the SNP, in england it supports the tories

[btb]

3 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

I'm of the opposite opinion, I thought quite a lot of what the realpeople threw up was shite for a GE campaign called due to Brexit.

Scottish debates are a waste of time now, same shite different day rather than the important issues that were in the Conservative and Labour manifestos.

Well if you think I'm gonna change my opinion..............

[Colkitto]

13 minutes ago, btb said:

The only value in these shows is seeing politicians having to answer questions from realpeople, after 10 years in power in Holyrood it's only natural that the SNP should have to face questions about their record. I thought NS coped as well as could be expected but RD's mask is really beginning to slip - where has the cheery jolly hockeysticks personna she managed to keep up for most of the 2015 campaign gone, the guy with Asperger's really seemed to rattle her.

Outside of that I thought Harvie sounded assured and competent but have Labour got nothing more constructive to school KD in than that unconvincing "Mrs. Angry" routine?

I found the section asking party hacks who'd won the debate totally pointless and at the end felt that everyone in the room could smell the ham coming from the nurse. A bit naughty of Joanna Cherry going over the top and then having to retract, she should leave that to the nutters who post on football forums except none of us ever retract, anything, ever!

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No killer blows landed and all parties claiming victory, nothing changes.................

I'm really liking the "puzzled face" look from Ruth. People telling it like it is and she now goes into the puzzled don't know what you're talking about mode without saying anything

[Dunning1874]

27 minutes ago, btb said:

A bit naughty of Joanna Cherry going over the top and then having to retract, she should leave that to the nutters who post on football forums except none of us ever retract, anything, ever!

Undoubtedly. If it was just a few people ordinary members of public on twitter digging up old social media posts from another member of the public who'd asked a question at a debate, no one would care. It would be pretty shitty behaviour on the part of those doing the digging, but it would bring no massive amount of attention on the questioner and wouldn't reflect on any party in any way. When MPs, MSPs, councillors or any kind of official party twitter accounts get involved, they make it a story.

Sturgeon dealt with the question competently enough and the story would have gone away after today if no one had dived on the 'plant' line. As it is, members of the SNP with a public profile did dive on the Tory plant line, it has made it a bigger story, it does reflect badly on the SNP as a result and any victories Sturgeon scored over Davidson in the debate itself are now forgotten about in media coverage.

For a party who were once accused of keeping too tight a watch over what their MPs and MSPs were doing on social media, that impression has really fallen away over the last couple of years. A lack of discipline on twitter by an MP has given the media and other parties ammunition for days of criticism of the SNP, with hints at not tolerating dissent and the revival of the 'one-party state' line, where they could have been focusing on the shambles of a manifesto the Tories have put forward in what's been a shambles of a campaign for May so far, as their Scottish leader completely fails to address Tory policies.

The story will have gone away by June 8th and it's hardly going to derail the SNP juggernaut, but it's still an own goal.

[archie guevara]

The ref's been against you all game and he gives Aberdeen a penalty when Peter Pawlett goes down in the box. "Cheatin' divin' scumbag" you cry and all your mates in the stand agree. "He never touched him..". Then you see Sportscene and the angle shows that the ref got it spot on and what made you enraged was the intensity of the event, and your self-taught grievance triggers and it shames you momentarily, but it's all part of the game.

That's what happened here. Not nice, but to an extent human and understandable. 

[Owsley]

If the nurse can afford a trip to New York and frequent swanky nights out perhaps she should be donating to foodbanks rather than taking. But I don't believe for a second that she's been anywhere near a foodbank.

If it had been an SNP indy supporter calling out Ruth or Kez they would have been hounded once a bit of digging had been done to expose them.

[Owsley]

If the right wing rags throw abuse at those of us who posted her Facebook pics on twitter, so f**k! Their readership are never going to vote SNP or for independence so it will make no difference.

If it had been an SNP indy supporter making such a bollocks of things on national tv, we'd get fucking hounded for it.

[sparky88]

3 hours ago, Lex said:

That's one of the most right wing posts I've read on here

Think she was down the bookies or the pub spending all her wages and heading to the foodbank on the way home?

This thread has become like a daily mail comments section.

[Jambomo]

I wonder how many people get invited back by the BBC to ask a question on another show when they don't get to ask theirs on Question Time? Thats the most interesting bit for me about this whole thing. I can't imagine they get through everyone s questions and I expect many people don't get a chance to ask theirs so why her?

[Ned Nederlander]

18 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

The story will have gone away by June 8th and it's hardly going to derail the SNP juggernaut, but it's still an own goal.

It's still frustrating - I spent most of the referendum on the No side and whilst I could see that the media were 'skewing' many stories many many people won't have and will have used the information they were spoon fed to form their vote.

Personally I found the BBC's insistence in going back to her and then making her input the focus of their Spin Room 'summing up' the most annoying aspect, and that coming on the back of BBCQT having Tory councillors asking questions (one if them she was sitting next to IIRC) just shows that they flirt with their impartiality more than just slightly.

As for the nurse herself, whilst there are certainly many 'complex reasons' why nurses use food banks my own personal opinion is that she's never been anywhere near one - she went on purely to bullshit an SNP Bad story ... and the BBC ran with it, on a devolved issue.

Roll on ITV's version, I think.

[sparky88]

4 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

I wonder how many people get invited back by the BBC to ask a question on another show when they don't get to ask theirs on Question Time? Thats the most interesting bit for me about this whole thing. I can't imagine they get through everyone s questions and I expect many people don't get a chance to ask theirs so why her?

In an attempt to bring down the SNP?

[Jambomo]

2 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

In an attempt to bring down the SNP?

I'm not sure I'd want to be as dramatic as that but yeah, they obviously liked the story that she wanted to tell and saw an opportunity to use it better elsewhere. That does suggest an agenda.

Whilst the stuff on Twitter is poor, its regrettable that only the Sun have actually looked at the nurse in any depth. Whilst I think it is possible someone could fall into circumstances where they were on £22k and needed to use a food bank, I don't think she looks like someone in those circumstances, she has fairly regular tweets/pics etc showing that she does seem to live a reasonably good life.

Someone also posted a link to her LinkedIn page and she seems to be a specialist nurse of some description, and unlikely to be on entry level pay. I don't think she is being very honest.

[sparky88]

9 minutes ago, Ned Nederlander said:

It's still frustrating - I spent most of the referendum on the No side and whilst I could see that the media were 'skewing' many stories many many people won't have and will have used the information they were spoon fed to form their vote.

Personally I found the BBC's insistence in going back to her and then making her input the focus of their Spin Room 'summing up' the most annoying aspect, and that coming on the back of BBCQT having Tory councillors asking questions (one if them she was sitting next to IIRC) just shows that they flirt with their impartiality more than just slightly.

As for the nurse herself, whilst there are certainly many 'complex reasons' why nurses use food banks my own personal opinion is that she's never been anywhere near one - she went on purely to bullshit an SNP Bad story ... and the BBC ran with it, on a devolved issue.

Roll on ITV's version, I think.

The inclusion of devolved issues was daft, muddied the water way too much. Especially as there was plenty of non devolved issues to talk about. Sturgeon needed to have Davidson defending May more often, but didn't manage it. It won't make a blind bit of difference to the election result.

[welshbairn]

Basically admitting she lied about the food bank here and other nurses have called her out on it.

 

[sparky88]

3 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

I'm not sure I'd want to be as dramatic as that but yeah, they obviously liked the story that she wanted to tell and saw an opportunity to use it better elsewhere. That does suggest an agenda.

Whilst the stuff on Twitter is poor, its regrettable that only the Sun have actually looked at the nurse in any depth. Whilst I think it is possible someone could fall into circumstances where they were on £22k and needed to use a food bank, I don't think she looks like someone in those circumstances, she has fairly regular tweets/pics etc showing that she does seem to live a reasonably good life.

Someone also posted a link to her LinkedIn page and she seems to be a specialist nurse of some description, and unlikely to be on entry level pay. I don't think she is being very honest.

What about her Instagram? Has anyone found her yacht yet? 

[Sooky]

The inclusion of devolved issues was daft, muddied the water way too much. Especially as there was plenty of non devolved issues to talk about. Sturgeon needed to have Davidson defending May more often, but didn't manage it. It won't make a blind bit of difference to the election result.

I generally find the only people who watch these debates are supporters of one of the parties on it so they can then say how brilliant they were afterwards.

It's why I'm not bothered about General Election debates, it's just candidates mostly reading their rehearsed lines with very few undecided voters either watching or making up their mind as a result.

[Jambomo]

9 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

What about her Instagram? Has anyone found her yacht yet? 

You'd think though, that if you're going to go on to the BBC and start talking about your use of foodbanks and being generally not paid enough then you would have the sense to make your public profiles private to you and your friends, especially when they make it look like you have a comfortable lifestyle.

[Crùbag]

Wings doing reasonable and devastating in the one post. Some good points here.

I still hold both responsible. Clare Austin has form as Unionist troll, abeit in the form of mild name-calling of Sturgeon. The BBC though come off worse. Why pick her, two weeks running, to ask an irrelevant question of a panellist she hates?

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We’re not going to join in the attacks on a nurse who criticised Nicola Sturgeon during last night’s BBC election debate. While her lifestyle seems at a glance to be wildly at odds with her claim that she relied on foodbanks to survive, there are – genuinely – possible explanations for at least most of it.

Her daughter could have won a free scholarship to the £11,000-a-year George Heriot’s school. Family and friends could have paid for her five-star holidays to New York and frequent dinners in expensive restaurants. She lives in Stockbridge, which is a quite expensive area of Edinburgh where wages might not stretch as far as elsewhere.

 

 

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