Ned Nederlander Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Could be interesting, Leanne & Nic will probably gang up on Nuttal - possibly on Farron as well. Diminished by May being an utter shite-bag and Corbyn not having the nads to empty chair her, but worth a watch anyhoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 This is a decent opportunity for Sturgeon. Wood and Lucas are broadly friendly to her, so she will be left opposed by Nuttall and Farron - both of whom are really quite bad at politics. Quite surprised Corbyn isn't attending after his bluster about May shirking live debates, but there must be some logic to the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, DrewDon said: This is a decent opportunity for Sturgeon. Wood and Lucas are broadly friendly to her, so she will be left opposed by Nuttall and Farron - both of whom are really quite bad at politics. Quite surprised Corbyn isn't attending after his bluster about May shirking live debates, but there must be some logic to the decision. The logic is that going up there without May leaves him open to attack on his competence from the rest without being able to score points over May on policy, whereas if May was there the rest would all be too busy attacking her to care much about Corbyn and he would be able to reap the rewards of the competent debaters destroying her while quietly racking up points on policy, so best to stay out entirely and let them attack May anyway without the risk of Farron tying him in knots on Brexit or Sturgeon wiping the floor with him on everything. That's the logic, I still think it's shit because if he had the debating strength to stand up there, deflect their criticisms of his competence and just focus on why Labour policy is stronger than the Tories every time he speaks it could ram home the point of May's cowardice and unwillingness to defend her policies, but he doesn't have the skill in debate to do that or tactical sense to attempt it so here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: The logic is that going up there without May leaves him open to attack on his competence from the rest without being able to score points over May on policy, whereas if May was there the rest would all be too busy attacking her to care much about Corbyn and he would be able to reap the rewards of the competent debaters destroying her while quietly racking up points on policy, so best to stay out entirely and let them attack May anyway without the risk of Farron tying him in knots on Brexit or Sturgeon wiping the floor with him on everything. That's the logic, I still think it's shit because if he had the debating strength to stand up there, deflect their criticisms of his competence and just focus on why Labour policy is stronger than the Tories every time he speaks it could ram home the point of May's cowardice and unwillingness to defend her policies, but he doesn't have the skill in debate to do that or tactical sense to attempt it so here we are. I think you've got it right. Looking back at Newsnight's Labour leadership debate in 2015, however, that was probably when I first sat up and realised that Corbyn wasn't going to be finishing a distant fourth in that election - and might very well have a real chance of winning. Obviously we shouldn't read too much into an internal contest where you are pitching to people who largely agree with you anyway, but I was nevertheless surprised by how well he did. He is, in my opinion, quite good at some of the basics required to be successful in these formats - just sounding like he passionately believes what he is saying, for example. Whether he could go a full two hours against a fairly astute and experienced politician like Sturgeon without tripping up, though, I'm not so sure. If he had taken part, it might have been a good opportunity to try and land some punches on the Tories without May or anybody else being there for immediate rebuttal. As things stand, however, it will be a chance for Sturgeon to do so - but also to subject Labour and the Lib Dems to some of the same treatment. It is also be an opportunity for Lucas to make a pitch without a Corbynite voice on the panel - that should give her more (political) space to occupy tonight. I'm not sure how much influence these debates really have on voters' final decisions, but I would be surprised if Sturgeon emerged from this in a poorer position than she is entering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 The media have most likely already written about how Sturgeon took a beating tonight. They probably just dusted off an old article and changed a couple of names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 What time is it on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 20:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 20:00 Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blastie_12 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Think it's really a non event, anyone under any pressure can just turn on may or Corbyn for not showing, bit of a get out of jail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 This is probably only worth watching to see Nutall take a shooeing. Will be disappointed if no one makes a gag about him being a total Walter Mitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Corbs to burst on halfway through and RKO Nuttall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Appalling that Donald Boyd from the Scottish Christian Party ~ Proclaiming Christ's Lordship has not been included in the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 3 women who will have very similar views and champions league winner Paul nuttal. The interesting bit will be where farron positions himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Feels like a bit of a second XI without the big two.Hopefully it helps these parties get a few more votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Sturgeon only one getting applauds. She really is quite liked in England I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 2 hours this goes on for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 This could work out well for nuttal. He's getting bullied and battered by all four of them. He's stuttering and getting names wrong. The underdog factor could come into play. Can someone post the 'he's already dead' simpsons gif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 And there is the Australian based points system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeek Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Tim Farron is creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Farron acts like he's speaking to children. Has he been visiting a primary school today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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