Fuctifano Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 As a fan, the one aspect I don't like is the regionalisation. As VT says part of the charm of the tournament is an away day, and with this (and the clusterfuck of a challenge cup) being regionalised the chances of us getting a game against an Arbroath, Elgin, etc are minimal whereas we'll probably draw Airdrie or QP 7 years in a row. I know folk will say part-time players travelling long distances midweek but teams would still play pre season games far away from home and you're going to have a maximum of 2. Also if you don't want to be part of the national setup there's always the HL / LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 On 2017-5-16 at 13:42, Karl Fletcher said: E Accies Dumbarton Annan Edinburgh City Livingston Hamilton, Edinburgh and Livi were in the same group last season, but couldn't really turn down another Edinburgh away day tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrman2011 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Doncaster is a legend for creating a group stage for the Scottish League Cup More interesting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayhole Blue Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 On 2017-5-16 at 23:50, The Master said: If that happened, they should just award the 2017-18 Forfarshire Cup to the group winners. In fact, there's probably a better chance of that exact group being drawn than there is of the tournament even getting started via "conventional" means. Not sure Montrose would agree?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 St Johnstone having qualified for Europe wouldn't get a shot at it either. Although they aren't actually from Forfarshire... Being serious for a moment it's the new League Cup sections which have finally killed-off several of the already ailing regional cups. It was a direct contributor to the Stirlingshire Cup being suspended; seems to have eliminated any prospects for the Forfarshire Cup; and would preclude the Renfrewshire Cup returning as before if Morton/St Mirren went up/down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McQueen Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said: St Johnstone having qualified for Europe wouldn't get a shot at it either. Although they aren't actually from Forfarshire... I'm pretty sure we only joined in the mid-eighties as we previously played in the Dewars Sheild (for the winers of Perthshire, Aberdeenshire, Forfarshire & Stirlingshire cups). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 That is correct. Or, to be precisely correct - Aberdeen and St Johnstone, being the only 'decent' teams in their respective counties, played-off against the winners of the Aberdeenshire and Perthshire cups respectively... whoever won (almost invariably Aberdeen and St Johnstone!) joined the winners of the Forfarshire and Stirlingshire cups in the Dewar Shield. This was to avoid demeaning the Aberdeenshire and Perthshire cups by the Scottish League clubs routing their way through numerous rounds. Apparently the Perthshire Cup was last played in 1974-75, although the last time you contested a playoff appears to have been against Breadalbane in 1961-62. Dewar Shield had by then been reduced to rather pathetic status and was last played in 1971-72 - though a tie was played the following season, and the cup was brought out of retirement for a preseason friendly a decade later? St Johnstone joined the Forfarshire Cup for 1986-87. Similarly the Dunbartonshire Cup was last contested in 1936-37 - though it was brought out of retirement for a friendly during the interruption in autumn 1939 following outbreak of WWII - and from 1939-40 Dumbarton played in the Stirlingshire Cup, as Alloa of Clackmannanshire always had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Aye here's the details... St Johnstone played in the Perthshire Cup until 1931-32. From 1932-33 there was a playoff between St Johnstone and the Perthshire Cup winners, though as you can see it was very onesided. In 1963-64 St Johnstone entered the Perthshire Cup again and won ties 10-1, 8-2 and 9-0. After this they simply entered the Dewar Shield directly.Dewar Shield qualifiers - playoff for champion of Perthshire 1933 - St Johnstone 7-3 Vale of Atholll 1934 - St Johnstone 7-1 Blairgowrie 1935 - Blairgowrie Amateurs 1-11 St Johnstone 1936 - St Johnstone 2-1 Blairgowrie 1937 - St Johnstone 8-0 Breadalbane 1938 - St Johnstone 3-2 Blairgowrie (at Coupar Angus) 1939 - St Johnstone 6-0 Blairgowrie 1940 - St Johnstone 6-1 Black Watch 1946 - St Johnstone 4-2 Infantry Training Company 1947 - St Johnstone 9-0 Breadalbane 1948 - St Johnstone 4-0 Grandtully Vale 1949 - St Johnstone 7-1 Vale of Atholl 1950 - St Johnstone 5-1 Vale of Atholl 1951 - St Johnstone 7-0 Vale of Atholl 1952 - Breadalbane 0-6 St Johnstone 1953 - (over 2 legs) Breadalbane 1-4 St Johnstone; St Johnstone 3-0 Breadalbane 1954 - ? 1955 - ? 1956 - St Johnstone 4-3 Grandtully Vale 1957 - St Johnstone 10-1 Breadalbane 1958 - Breadalbane 2-3 St Johnstone 1959 - St Johnstone 10-0 Breadalbane 1960 - ? 1961 - Breadalbane 1-5 St Johnstone 1962 - ? 1963 - ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 For completeness here are the details for the Aberdeenshire equivalent. Aberdeen seem to have ceased putting themselves forward from the early 1950s.Dewar Shield qualifiers - playoff for champion of Aberdeenshire1935 - Peterhead 1-2 Aberdeen 1936 - Aberdeen 3-0 Keith 1937 - (over 2 legs) Aberdeen 2-1 Buckie; Buckie 0-3 Aberdeen 1938 - (over 2 legs) Fraserburgh 0-1 Aberdeen; Aberdeen 7-0 Fraserburgh 1939 - (over 2 legs) Aberdeen 5-2 Buckie; Buckie 5-7 Aberdeen 1945 - ? 1946 - ? 1947 - ? 1948 - Deveronvale 2-3 Aberdeen 1949 - (over 2 legs) Aberdeen 3-3 Peterhead; Peterhead 0-1 Aberdeen 1950 - (over 2 legs) Aberdeen 2-2 Peterhead; Peterhead 0-2 Aberdeen 1951 - (over 2 legs) Aberdeen 5-1 Deveronvale; Deveronvale 0-7 Aberdeen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The League Cup sections have nothing to do with the Renfrewshire Cup being patched. It wasn't held two seasons ago under the old format. Morton being in the same league as* Saint Mirren is responsible for ending it for now.* stomping all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I know. But if one of you goes up or down it's presumably still unlikely to be reinstated on the same basis as before, due to the League Cup sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 A nice early draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 What happened the last time Morton played Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeSAFC Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 D Ross County Dunfermline Alloa Buckie Stirling Replace Dunfermline with Falkirk and that would be some group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Just to confirm, they're definitely still doing the seeding based on the previous season's league positions even for promoted/relegated sides? So Inverness Caley Thistle will be in Pot 1 with Hibs in Pot 2 as @HibeeJibee has it, rather than the far more sensible method of having Hibs in Pot 1 and ICT in Pot 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Nothing has been confirmed regarding seeding but they did it that way last season so no indication that it would be changed. In the Irn Bru they even made QP enter in R1 but Elgin in R2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 14 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Nothing has been confirmed regarding seeding but they did it that way last season so no indication that it would be changed. Last season's seeding doesn't provide any evidence either way. Hibs qualifying for Europe as a lower league side meant that there were 9 Premiership sides in the group stage. The teams who finished 4th-11th in the previous campaign were seeded in Pot 1, and both Dundee Utd (12th in Prem) and Rangers (1st in Championship) were seeded in Pot 2. However, the rule book does appear to suggest that the seeding is done based on the previous season (Rule 4.6), although it makes it clear that the seeding is at the discretion of the SPFL board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 So how does this pan out then? North Seeds 1 of Hearts / County / Dundee / ICT South Seeds 1 of Thistle / Killie / Well/ Hamilton North Seeds 2 of Hibs / Falkirk / Dundee Utd / Dunfermline South Seeds 2 of Morton / QoS / Dumbarton / St Mirren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 We definitely in the South section for this? Desperate for a trip to Annan, or a first ever visit to Ainslie Park to play Edinburgh City (and finally tick it off my list) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sonsteam of 08 said: We definitely in the South section for this? A truly baffling decision if you are, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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