AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Soviet Progress Cup Cup for club that moved up most places in the league system each year. Who woulda been the winner in the Scottish League in previous years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Let's assume that this is carried out by assigning each club a position based on their division - for example Hibs would be 13th in Scotland this season, while Cowdenbeath are currently 42nd. The trophy can be awarded to any club in any division. I already had a spreadsheet of league finishes, so it was reasonably quick to write a programme to identify the "winners". I haven't double checked any of it, so it's possible that there are errors in there. Here is the list of winners since the Scottish League started in 1890/91: Season Progress Trophy Winners Gain 1890/91 Dumbarton & Rangers (champions) 1891/92 Heart of Midlothian 3 1892/93 St Mirren 7 1893/94 Heart of Midlothian 3 1894/95 Clyde 6 1895/96 Hibernian 8 1896/97 Partick Thistle & Greenock Morton & Linthouse 4 1897/98 Port Glasgow Athletic 6 1898/99 Motherwell 6 1899/00 Kilmarnock 6 1900/01 Greenock Morton 8 1901/02 Motherwell 8 1902/03 Dundee 7 1903/04 Clyde 7 1904/05 Airdrieonians 7 1905/06 Aberdeen 9 1906/07 Clyde 10 1907/08 Raith Rovers 9 1908/09 Clyde 14 1909/10 Falkirk 7 1910/11 Partick Thistle 12 1911/12 Heart of Midlothian 10 1912/13 Motherwell 8 1913/14 Greenock Morton & Ayr United 10 1914/15 St Mirren 11 1915/16 Dundee 6 1916/17 Third Lanark 11 1917/18 Queen's Park 11 1918/19 Ayr United 13 1919/20 Airdrieonians 6 1920/21 Heart of Midlothian 12 1921/22 St Mirren 14 1922/23 Airdrieonians 14 1923/24 Stenhousemuir 10 1924/25 Cowdenbeath 17 1925/26 Motherwell 13 1926/27 East Stirlingshire 13 1927/28 Heart of Midlothian & Arbroath & King's Park 9 1928/29 Greenock Morton 16 1929/30 King's Park 9 1930/31 Cowdenbeath 9 1931/32 Third Lanark 17 1932/33 St Johnstone 17 1933/34 Queen of the South 18 1934/35 Dundee United 13 1935/36 Third Lanark 12 1936/37 Falkirk 14 1937/38 Dumbarton 8 1938/39 Queen of the South 10 1946/47 Greenock Morton 26 1947/48 Dundee 13 1948/49 East Fife 13 1949/50 Raith Rovers & Cowdenbeath 8 1950/51 Ayr United 10 1951/52 Alloa Athletic 9 1952/53 Clyde & Queen's Park 12 1953/54 Albion Rovers 9 1954/55 Aberdeen & Kilmarnock 8 1955/56 Airdrieonians 10 1956/57 Albion Rovers 12 1957/58 Clyde 15 1958/59 Stenhousemuir 13 1959/60 Dundee United 15 1960/61 Stranraer 13 1961/62 Greenock Morton 16 1962/63 Albion Rovers 11 1963/64 Montrose 10 1964/65 Stirling Albion 18 1965/66 Ayr United 17 1966/67 Clyde 8 1967/68 Greenock Morton 13 1968/69 Stranraer 10 1969/70 Alloa Athletic 12 1970/71 Falkirk 12 1971/72 Partick Thistle 12 1972/73 Hamilton Academical 11 1973/74 Queen of the South & Clydebank [1965] 7 1974/75 Kilmarnock & Airdrieonians 8 1975/76 St Mirren & Cowdenbeath & Montrose 8 1976/77 Clydebank [1965] 13 1977/78 Stirling Albion 10 1978/79 Clyde 6 1979/80 East Stirlingshire 10 1980/81 Queen of the South 11 1981/82 Clyde & Queen's Park 7 1982/83 Alloa Athletic & Meadowbank Thistle 10 1983/84 Brechin City 10 1984/85 Montrose 11 1985/86 Kilmarnock 9 1986/87 Dunfermline Athletic 11 1987/88 Meadowbank Thistle 11 1988/89 Albion Rovers 11 1989/90 Stenhousemuir 10 1990/91 Kilmarnock & Montrose 11 1991/92 Arbroath & East Stirlingshire 7 1992/93 Stranraer 7 1993/94 Kilmarnock & Berwick Rangers 6 1994/95 Falkirk 8 1995/96 Greenock Morton 8 1996/97 Dundee United 9 1997/98 Arbroath 8 1998/99 Dundee & Dumbarton & Alloa Athletic 6 1999/00 Ross County 8 2000/01 Berwick Rangers 7 2001/02 Partick Thistle & Livingston 10 2002/03 Brechin City 9 2003/04 Greenock Morton 7 2004/05 Stranraer 9 2005/06 Gretna 10 2006/07 Gretna 10 2007/08 Motherwell 7 2008/09 Dumbarton & Arbroath 7 2009/10 Cowdenbeath 9 2010/11 Livingston 10 2011/12 Arbroath 9 2012/13 Alloa Athletic 9 2013/14 Rangers 10 2014/15 Rangers & Queen's Park 8 2015/16 Heart of Midlothian 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 For what it's worth, I also calculated which team had regressed the most in each season - the winners of the "Biggest Losers" trophy are listed below. Season Biggest Losers Drop 1890/91 Cowlairs (last) 1891/92 Cambuslang 7 1892/93 Dumbarton 6 1893/94 Abercorn 8 1894/95 Cowlairs 8 1895/96 Motherwell 6 1896/97 Dumbarton 10 1897/98 Abercorn & Airdrieonians 5 1898/99 Abercorn 5 1899/00 Airdrieonians 4 1900/01 Motherwell 7 1901/02 Abercorn 7 1902/03 Hamilton Academical 4 1903/04 Hibernian 9 1904/05 Heart of Midlothian & St Bernard's 5 1905/06 Kilmarnock & Hibernian 6 1906/07 Partick Thistle 9 1907/08 Clyde & Arthurlie 9 1908/09 Falkirk 7 1909/10 St Mirren & Ayr Parkhouse & Port Glasgow Athletic 5 1910/11 Port Glasgow Athletic 8 1911/12 Albion Rovers 9 1912/13 Partick Thistle 13 1913/14 Motherwell 11 1914/15 Dundee United & Raith Rovers & Clyde & Third Lanark 8 1915/16 Hibernian 9 1916/17 Ayr United 11 1917/18 Airdrieonians 11 1918/19 Dumbarton 8 1919/20 Heart of Midlothian & Partick Thistle 8 1920/21 Clydebank [1914] 15 1921/22 Heart of Midlothian 16 1922/23 Vale of Leven 12 1923/24 Alloa Athletic 16 1924/25 Bathgate 13 1925/26 Hibernian & Broxburn United 13 1926/27 Heart of Midlothian 10 1927/28 Greenock Morton 19 1928/29 King's Park 12 1929/30 St Johnstone 11 1930/31 St Mirren 10 1931/32 Montrose 9 1932/33 Leith Athletic 16 1933/34 St Mirren 10 1934/35 Queen of the South 13 1935/36 Clyde 8 1936/37 Dundee United 7 1937/38 Dundee & Dunfermline Athletic 10 1938/39 Greenock Morton 12 1946/47 St Johnstone 17 1947/48 Greenock Morton 8 1948/49 Partick Thistle & Cowdenbeath & Clyde 8 1949/50 Albion Rovers 11 1950/51 Dunfermline Athletic 7 1951/52 Queen's Park 9 1952/53 Motherwell 8 1953/54 Dundee United & Queen's Park & Arbroath 7 1954/55 Partick Thistle 6 1955/56 Hamilton Academical & Clyde 10 1956/57 Queen of the South 10 1957/58 Albion Rovers 12 1958/59 Queen's Park 18 1959/60 Airdrieonians 11 1960/61 Arbroath 12 1961/62 Stenhousemuir 12 1962/63 Stirling Albion & Montrose 10 1963/64 Raith Rovers 10 1964/65 Montrose 11 1965/66 Third Lanark 14 1966/67 Queen of the South 6 1967/68 Motherwell & Hamilton Academical 7 1968/69 Aberdeen 10 1969/70 Forfar Athletic 12 1970/71 Alloa Athletic 10 1971/72 Albion Rovers 11 1972/73 Stranraer 9 1973/74 East Fife 8 1974/75 Raith Rovers 7 1975/76 Dunfermline Athletic & Clyde & Berwick Rangers 8 1976/77 St Johnstone 11 1977/78 Stranraer 7 1978/79 Alloa Athletic 7 1979/80 Queen of the South 13 1980/81 Arbroath 10 1981/82 Stirling Albion 9 1982/83 East Stirlingshire 14 1983/84 Dunfermline Athletic & Queen's Park 10 1984/85 St Johnstone 15 1985/86 Greenock Morton & Dumbarton 7 1986/87 Alloa Athletic 6 1987/88 Dumbarton 9 1988/89 Dumbarton 12 1989/90 Queen of the South 10 1990/91 Albion Rovers 12 1991/92 Stenhousemuir 9 1992/93 Montrose 13 1993/94 Cowdenbeath 14 1994/95 Aberdeen 7 1995/96 Stranraer 8 1996/97 Dumbarton 9 1997/98 Dumbarton 11 1998/99 Partick Thistle 9 1999/00 Hamilton Academical 11 2000/01 Clydebank [1965] 7 2001/02 Greenock Morton & Queen's Park 11 2002/03 Livingston 6 2003/04 Alloa Athletic & Arbroath 8 2004/05 Partick Thistle & Ayr United & East Fife 9 2005/06 Dundee & Raith Rovers 7 2006/07 Stranraer 10 2007/08 Forfar Athletic 10 2008/09 Berwick Rangers 9 2009/10 Livingston 14 2010/11 Clyde 10 2011/12 Stirling Albion 10 2012/13 Dunfermline Athletic 9 2013/14 Greenock Morton 8 2014/15 Motherwell 9 2015/16 Cowdenbeath 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Since reconstruction (actually, since 1960) no team has regressed as much as the Saints team that were relegated in successive seasons in the mid-eighties, then. Relegated in ninth from the Premier Division in 1984, then finished bottom of the 14-team First Division the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Interesting times for Dumbarton between 1986 and 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I suppose it's difficult to decide how to measure this. Cowdenbeath are potentially on the cusp of 3 successive relegations, and going from surviving in what is now the Championship for a couple of seasons running to plunging into Lowland League. It'd take them 3yrs but it'd be a spectacular fall from grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 That's a hell of a jump for Morton after the war. List of winners: Clyde 9 Greenock Morton 9 Heart of Midlothian 6 Kilmarnock 6 Airdrieonians 5 Alloa Athletic 5 Arbroath 5 Cowdenbeath 5 Motherwell 5 Albion Rovers 4 Ayr United 4 Dundee 4 Falkirk 4 Montrose 4 Partick Thistle 4 Queen's Park 4 Queen of the South 4 St Mirren 4 Stranraer 4 Dumbarton 3 Dundee United 3 East Stirlingshire 3 Stenhousemuir 3 Third Lanark 3 Aberdeen 2 Berwick Rangers 2 Brechin City 2 Clydebank 2 Gretna 2 King's Park 2 Livingston 2 Meadowbank 2 Raith Rovers 2 Rangers 2 Stirling Albion 2 Dunfermline Athletic 1 East Fife 1 Hamilton Academical 1 Hibernian 1 Linthouse 1 Port Glasgow Athletic 1 Ross County 1 St Johnstone 1 Annan 0 Celtic 0 Edinburgh City 0 Elgin 0 Forfar 0 Inverness Caley Thistle 0 Peterhead 0 Being a Forfar Fan looks dull eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 In terms of Morton after the war - you have to remember they had 7yrs of intervening wartime football which isn't considered in that stat. In 1938-39 they'd finished 12th out of 18 in the lower tier. They were 15th when the 1939-40 SFL season was abandoned after 4 games. However they recovered as the war progressed - finishing 5th in the SFL Eastern Division then 10th, 9th, 2nd, 8th, 7th and 10th in the Southern League. On the resumption of peace-time football they were then controversially parachuted into the upper tier and finished 6th. Hence 26-place jump on 1938-39. Indeed the only Scottish-based player who played in UK v Rest of Europe - "the Match of the Century" - at Hampden in May 1947 was Billy Steel of Morton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 On 4/29/2017 at 21:21, HibeeJibee said: On the resumption of peace-time football they were then controversially parachuted into the upper tier and finished 6th. Hence 26-place jump on 1938-39. Scottish football clearly needed a strong Morton in its top flight. Bigger than Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I suppose you could make that argument. It's quite interesting how things were carved-up, actually. When the war broke out the league system was 20-18. Upon abandonment there was a few weeks of no competitive games due to air raid fears, and then SFL moved to Eastern and Western divisions of 16 each. Five clubs were turned away - Montrose, Brechin, Forfar, Edinburgh City, East Stirlingshire and Leith. Most of them had finished in the bottom places at the end of 1938-39 but King's Park (13th) were reprieved and Brechin (10th) excluded instead . There was a title playoff at Hampden. Cowdenbeath quit halfway through. There was an SFA War Emergency Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. At the end of the season the SFA and SFL went into abeyance. From 1940-41 to 1944-45 a 16-team Southern League operated containing the 6 Glasgow clubs, 4 Lanarkshire club, 2 Renfrewshire clubs, Dumbarton, Hearts, Hibs and also Falkirk. They established a sectional League Cup to pad-out the season, and a Summer Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. From 1941-42 to 1944-45 an 8-team North-Eastern League operated containing the remaining 3 Fife clubs, Aberdeen and Dundee United... St Bernards and Leith also participated in the first year, while Arbroath and Dundee participated in the last year which had 10-teams. (Those numbers don't add-up to 8 or 10: the rest of the places were taken by reserve XIs). It was played in two half-seasons with a knockout League Cup at the end of each. In 1945-46 the NEL was absorbed by the Southern League. Dumbarton (13th), Albion Rovers (15th) and Airdrie (16th) were demoted into a second level... note that St Mirren (14th) got reprieved and Dumbarton demoted ... and their places filled by Aberdeen of NEL plus Kilmarnock and QotS. Those 3 demoted sides, 6 remaining NEL clubs and Ayr, Alloa, Stenhousemuir, Cowdenbeath and St Johnstone formed a 14-team lower tier. There was a Victory Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. By the time the war finished St Bernards and King's Park were defunct. In 1946-47 the SFL was resumed on a 16-16-10 basis... the new 'C' division contained the 6 clubs excluded in 1939, a new club called Stirling Albion, and reserve XIs to make up the numbers. 'A' and 'B' divisions were the same as those of the Southern League the previous season. Scottish Cup also resumed. This meant the following divisional anomalies compared to when the war broke out: * Albion Rovers, Alloa, Arbroath, Ayr, Cowdenbeath and St Johnstone were in tier 2 instead of tier 1 * Morton and Queen's Park were in tier 1 instead of tier 2 * Brechin, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh City, Forfar, Leith and Montrose were in tier 3 instead of tier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kebab Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 So that was actually a quadruple we won in 1948!!! Angusfifer will be going tonto at the news!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 So who actually played for these teams during the War, considering most men of playing age would have been called up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 4, 2017 Author Share Posted May 4, 2017 I think most footballers were kept at home to keep playing exhibition games and keep the spirits up were they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: I think most footballers were kept at home to keep playing exhibition games and keep the spirits up were they not? Really? Time for me to get down the park and brush up on my footballing skills so I can avoid the call-up to WWIII then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Just because men had been called-up didn't mean they were confined to barracks 24/7. Also remember that after Dunkirk the only British Army in the field was in North Africa, then in Burma after the Japanese joined in. Though from 1943 Italy was invaded and from 1944 France etc. which curtailed some competitions (e.g. Inter-Allied Services Cup). It was also common for footballers to become Physical Training instructors for new recruits. Many men were also in reserved occupations... shipbuilding, coalmining, munitions, certain administrative and transport jobs. Indeed there were accusations (particularly in Glasgow) that clubs deliberately wangled their players into these sort of jobs or into the Auxiliary Fire Service, Air Raid Precautions and similar. Take the starting XIs of OF at the outbreak of war for example - according to Bob Crampsey's book out of those 22 players only 3 ended-up in uniform. As noted all SFL football stopped for several weeks due to fears of air raids, gas attacks etc., and many grounds were shut and severe capacity restrictions introduced. Friendlies and lots of local cup-ties were played - some of them will never have had such big crowds or attention since. It was claimed the Glasgow clubs "prolonged" this interregnum to complete their lucrative Glasgow Cup on Saturdays. In mid-October 1939 the SFL 'Eastern' and 'Western' divisions began as outlined. Full-time players were not allowed and a maximum wage of £2 + £1 bonuses per week for part-time players. Guest players were permitted - and a thriving market grew-up of talented English First Division players appearing for lowly clubs they were stationed nearby... England set their limit at £1.10s, and there were cases of players travelling from Northumberland or Cumbria. Bill Shankly played for King's Park, Matt Busby for Hibs and Stanley Matthews for Airdrie, Morton and Rangers. Accusations of brown envelope payments circulated, and eventually the guest system had to be more closely regulated. St Mirren were caught red-handed, fined and 5 out of 7 directors banned. Junior football ran throughout the war - e.g. the Junior Cup was not put into abeyance. However gradually the numbers of teams contracted substantially. Amateur football very considerably stopped but not entirely: Edinburgh City for example dropped from SFL into the Lothian Amateur League. Internationals continued. There was a great deal of representative and forces football to raise money. At the top level in some respects more football was played than in peacetime. Some final snippets... midweek football was banned to protect factory production. King's Park's ground was destroyed in bombing. Rugby Park was requisitioned hence Killie closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 On 4/28/2017 at 12:56, Ranaldo Bairn said: Interesting times for Dumbarton between 1986 and 1998. Three relegations and two promotions culminating in finishing bottom of the 3rd division in 1997/98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsjfc Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 [emoji38] I suppose you could make that argument. It's quite interesting how things were carved-up, actually. When the war broke out the league system was 20-18. Upon abandonment there was a few weeks of no competitive games due to air raid fears, and then SFL moved to Eastern and Western divisions of 16 each. Five clubs were turned away - Montrose, Brechin, Forfar, Edinburgh City, East Stirlingshire and Leith. Most of them had finished in the bottom places at the end of 1938-39 but King's Park (13th) were reprieved and Brechin (10th) excluded instead . There was a title playoff at Hampden. Cowdenbeath quit halfway through. There was an SFA War Emergency Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. At the end of the season the SFA and SFL went into abeyance. From 1940-41 to 1944-45 a 16-team Southern League operated containing the 6 Glasgow clubs, 4 Lanarkshire club, 2 Renfrewshire clubs, Dumbarton, Hearts, Hibs and also Falkirk. They established a sectional League Cup to pad-out the season, and a Summer Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. From 1941-42 to 1944-45 an 8-team North-Eastern League operated containing the remaining 3 Fife clubs, Aberdeen and Dundee United... St Bernards and Leith also participated in the first year, while Arbroath and Dundee participated in the last year which had 10-teams. (Those numbers don't add-up to 8 or 10: the rest of the places were taken by reserve XIs). It was played in two half-seasons with a knockout League Cup at the end of each. In 1945-46 the NEL was absorbed by the Southern League. Dumbarton (13th), Albion Rovers (15th) and Airdrie (16th) were demoted into a second level... note that St Mirren (14th) got reprieved and Dumbarton demoted ... and their places filled by Aberdeen of NEL plus Kilmarnock and QotS. Those 3 demoted sides, 6 remaining NEL clubs and Ayr, Alloa, Stenhousemuir, Cowdenbeath and St Johnstone formed a 14-team lower tier. There was a Victory Cup in place of the Scottish Cup. By the time the war finished St Bernards and King's Park were defunct. In 1946-47 the SFL was resumed on a 16-16-10 basis... the new 'C' division contained the 6 clubs excluded in 1939, a new club called Stirling Albion, and reserve XIs to make up the numbers. 'A' and 'B' divisions were the same as those of the Southern League the previous season. Scottish Cup also resumed. This meant the following divisional anomalies compared to when the war broke out: * Albion Rovers, Alloa, Arbroath, Ayr, Cowdenbeath and St Johnstone were in tier 2 instead of tier 1 * Morton and Queen's Park were in tier 1 instead of tier 2 [emoji33] * Brechin, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh City, Forfar, Leith and Montrose were in tier 3 instead of tier 2 Saint's history book suggests that thedemotion was a unofficial "punishment" for giving up football so early in the war. It's clear the decision led to the club's worst (bar a spell mid 80's) era since becoming a league side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 It's also interesting to see what happened during WWI. There was no promotion and relegation at that time, of course, just election. At the end of 1914-15 the Second Division was put into suspended animation - some clubs shut down, others joined regional leagues. At the end of 1916-17 Aberdeen, Dundee and Raith resigned due to travel difficulty and Clydebank were elected to make a round 18 clubs. On the resumption of peace-time football in 1919-20 those 3 clubs all rejoined and Albion Rovers were elected to make a round 22 clubs. First Division clubs - who held almost all voting powers in SFL - then refused to allow Second Division to restart and did so for 3yrs: until a rival Central League forced them to compromise for 1921-22, restarting with all 16 Central League clubs, both clubs from the Scottish Alliance (Arbroath & Forfar) and 2 from the Western League (Johnstone & Vale of Leven). At the season's end 22-20 became 20-20 with bottom 2 clubs - Clackmannan and Dundee Hibs - dropping out of SFL. Following year Dundee Hibs were re-elected and East Stirlingshire demoted into a new Third Division formed by all Western League clubs (except Hurlford), Brechin, Clackmannan, Dumbarton Harp, Mid-Annandale and Montrose. One of the oddities is that because SFL continued throughout WWI player appearances, titles and so on are considered official. Yet WWII's are not: despite 1939-40 being under SFL auspices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 This season's winners were Rangers, who gained 10 league places, and the losers for the second straight year were Cowdenbeath, who dropped 11 spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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