Guest Bonnyrigg Vid Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Do we really want the final to be played on a plastic pitch? Avoid Rugby Park and get a stadium with a quality grass pitch for the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, ftk said: Nonsense we had around 10,000 against rangers 3 times at Somerset in last few years no crushes? Somerset is brilliant when there is a big crowd. Proper old school terraced stadium. Nothing better! Jesus wept, the young folks today. I was there in 1969 when it was 25500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 46 minutes ago, Bonnyrigg Vid said: Do we really want the final to be played on a plastic pitch? Avoid Rugby Park and get a stadium with a quality grass pitch for the final. Nothing wrong with the surface at Rugby Park apart from size - it destroyed the final last year in a sweltering heat. Lee Clark made it smaller for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bonnyrigg Vid Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Nothing wrong with the surface at Rugby Park apart from size - it destroyed the final last year in a sweltering heat. Lee Clark made it smaller for this season. Point I was making was that most teams play on grass week in week out and as you must be aware the ball reacts differently on a plastic pitch. Always think football should be played on grass but that IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, Bonnyrigg Vid said: Do we really want the final to be played on a plastic pitch? Avoid Rugby Park and get a stadium with a quality grass pitch for the final. The majority of fans probably don't but - as folk have pointed out already - the scarcity of grass pitches in the 1st week in June is a barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Do we really want the final to be played on a plastic pitch? Avoid Rugby Park and get a stadium with a quality grass pitch for the final. If it's played in June then it's going to be just about the only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bonnyrigg Vid said: Point I was making was that most teams play on grass week in week out and as you must be aware the ball reacts differently on a plastic pitch. Always think football should be played on grass but that IMO It's a high quality artificial surface and we have them on the circuit in the Juniors at top level or thereabouts. Players also train on them fairly regularly I'd have thought. As noted though, grass pitches get closed for reseeding. Killie talk to the SJFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Nothing wrong with the surface at Rugby Park apart from size - it destroyed the final last year in a sweltering heat. Lee Clark made it smaller for this season. Rugby park was hardly usually big.The heat wouldn't help but there was plenty of guys who couldn't run the length of their self, and that was after 5 minutes.To fix that you would need to be looking at pitches comfortably under 100m long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Rugby park was hardly usually big. The heat wouldn't help but there was plenty of guys who couldn't run the length of their self, and that was after 5 minutes. To fix that you would need to be looking at pitches comfortably under 100m long Which is what most Junior pitches are, for whatever reason. At the end of a very long season, having been playing since July, these guys are done physically and the reward? to play on the biggest pitch they'll see all season! It's like playing the 'big' Scottish Cup final on a shinty pitch! Pollok's pitch FYI is 102 x 64 yards. (or 93 x 58m for the metrically minded) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, #BBB said: could be played at a junior ground Which ones could accommodate a 7k plus crowd and all the hospitality, parking, and so on required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-german exile Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 The junior cup final is a family day out. Junior grounds don't have the food outlets or toilet facilities for 4000+ crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Rugby park was hardly usually big. The heat wouldn't help but there was plenty of guys who couldn't run the length of their self, and that was after 5 minutes. To fix that you would need to be looking at pitches comfortably under 100m long Plenty of Junior players have decent fitness but the ludicrous demands on them to play Monday, Wednesday, Saturday in the lead up to the final leaves them fatigued by the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 minute ago, #BBB said: it finaly happened but no as quick as a thought . 7k plus ? 4800 or something last year. Ah, now I see - you're a fuckwit. As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Attendance very much depends on the teams involved - while Pollok can get people in week in, week out, there isn't much potential for a floating support to balloon on the big occasion because the support comes from across a large catchment area that is not centred on Newlandsfield - it would be interesting to see how many fans could (if they chose to) comfortably walk to the ground. The tie-in with Pollok United YFC is something but they're not from the exact same part of the city. So for a decent cup final attendance, count Lok out. It needs to be two small towns / large villages / or surroundings that can fully get behind the team for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 56 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: Attendance very much depends on the teams involved - while Pollok can get people in week in, week out, there isn't much potential for a floating support to balloon on the big occasion because the support comes from across a large catchment area that is not centred on Newlandsfield - it would be interesting to see how many fans could (if they chose to) comfortably walk to the ground. The tie-in with Pollok United YFC is something but they're not from the exact same part of the city. So for a decent cup final attendance, count Lok out. It needs to be two small towns / large villages / or surroundings that can fully get behind the team for the day. Agreed pal. Hence the reason that my team are well supported. Talbot are an institution in Auchinleck. Plus sustained success doesn't dull the interest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Which is what most Junior pitches are, for whatever reason. At the end of a very long season, having been playing since July, these guys are done physically and the reward? to play on the biggest pitch they'll see all season! It's like playing the 'big' Scottish Cup final on a shinty pitch! Pollok's pitch FYI is 102 x 64 yards. (or 93 x 58m for the metrically minded) Your pretty fucked looking for a pitch that small, even famously tight grounds like glebe and central park are beyond that.Central as the smallest in the spfl is 107 x 66 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipple burn Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 7 hours ago, newcastle broon said: Was nae looking for bites though, it was a simple question. So called senior clubs could easily turn there noses up at yer association. Agree its a showpiece match though. Good revenue for a senior club, park rental, social club and pies. Unlike the LL the game is televised so sponsor hoardings are going to get highlighted. What's not to like getting a wee visit from the Juniors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 7 hours ago, parsforlife said: Your pretty fucked looking for a pitch that small, even famously tight grounds like glebe and central park are beyond that. Central as the smallest in the spfl is 107 x 66 yards The point I'm making is that most Junior pitches are small - not really sure of the reason for this. Add that to the heavily programme of games that finalists tend to be asked to play, and the high temperatures that seem to coincide with the SJC final, it's a poor mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 The point I'm making is that most Junior pitches are small - not really sure of the reason for this. Add that to the heavily programme of games that finalists tend to be asked to play, and the high temperatures that seem to coincide with the SJC final, it's a poor mix. Don't really disagree, however pitch size is probably the hardest one to change.A may final with at worst giving finalists 2 clear mid weeks pre-final shouldn't be too hard to sort(as much as changing anything in juniors can be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jones Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 19 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Don't really disagree, however pitch size is probably the hardest one to change. A may final with at worst giving finalists 2 clear mid weeks pre-final shouldn't be too hard to sort(as much as changing anything in juniors can be) Not sure of the clear mid-weeks if Bonnyrigg get to the final. Loads of games left for them this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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