50 years since we won the World Cup

[MJC]

30 minutes ago, mjw said:

Trolling c**t gonna troll.

It's not trolling actually, but still...obsessers gonna obsess.

[mjw]

It's not trolling actually, but still...obsessers gonna obsess.

*Obsessors.

[MJC]

Ahhh the spelling and grammar(or is it grammer?) correction. Always a sign that someone has no argument or comeback to your point.

[mjw]

Not really.
Just tidying up your insult.
Enjoy your day 'internetting'
Hopefully you'll get all the attention you crave.

[Wee Willie]

21 minutes ago, MJC said:

 

And that is the pinnacle of the Scotland national sides success? Beating England who were World Champions at the time yet ultimately failing to qualify for the tournament itself? And it is still being celebrated fifty years later. That's pathetic and yet so typical of the small minded, loser mentality that has held large chunks of Scottish football and Scottish society back for generations.

It is a pinnacle of what little success we as a football nation have achieved.
It's up there with winning the Kirin cup in 2006 and the Rous cup in 1985.

And no forgetting we won the Homeless World Cup in 2007 & 2011
That's surely something to be proud of.

[Richey Edwards]

Scotland beat the 2006 World Cup runners up home and away.

[MJC]

1 hour ago, mjw said:

Not really.
Just tidying up your insult.
Enjoy your day 'internetting'
Hopefully you'll get all the attention you crave.

All the attention, a great deal of which you seem very keen to give me on a regular basis given your tendancy to pop up on whatever topic or thread I'm discussing

 

[Wee Willie]

20 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:

Scotland beat the 2006 World Cup runners up home and away.

True dat and we also skelped the runners up in the 1978 World Cup

[Bring Your Own Socks]

On 4/15/2017 at 13:29, MJC said:

 

And that is the pinnacle of the Scotland national sides success? Beating England who were World Champions at the time yet ultimately failing to qualify for the tournament itself? And it is still being celebrated fifty years later. That's pathetic and yet so typical of the small minded, loser mentality that has held large chunks of Scottish football and Scottish society back for generations.

Your right mate. Let's talk about all Motherwell's great nights in Europe instead.

Right, that's that conversation at an end. Firstly our capability at sport isn't linked to Scottish society as a whole. And thankfully so. It's not glorfying anything, it was nothing more than a happy event at a time in our history where our much larger neighbours believed everyone in Scotland behaved like Andy Stewart or Kenneth McKellar. Where we are as a country today is the sum parts of each brick we've managed to put in the wall and this game was one of them. More of a gable end actually. It was a golden time (a month later both Celtic & Rangers were competing in the two European trophies) and we should reflect on special events like this which, along with other changes in our society, lit the pathway to where we are now. Scotland is a wonderfully enlightened nation, respected around the world. Precisely because we don't use football as our ambassador. We have much more to offer now but it didn't come easy and the journey isn't over yet. If all you can see in Scotland is losers you're the tragic character here. 

[Dullard Bluteau]

Strachan take note. ALL the players were Scottish and most played for Scottish teams.

[RandomGuy.]

 
And that is the pinnacle of the Scotland national sides success? Beating England who were World Champions at the time yet ultimately failing to qualify for the tournament itself? And it is still being celebrated fifty years later. That's pathetic and yet so typical of the small minded, loser mentality that has held large chunks of Scottish football and Scottish society back for generations.

What are you expecting? For Scotland fans to never celebrate anything, ever, as we've never "achieved" anything. I'm sure young kids speaking to their grandads will be inspired of tales of "achieving nothing as everyone's negative losers" instead of being regaled with stories of great teams shocking the world of football.

You're trying far, far too hard to convince yourself that this is the "problem" and you're miles off the mark.

[Lex]

On ‎15‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 12:42, MJC said:

This is yet another example of why Scottish football and the entire mentality surrounding it is completely fucked.

We are supposed to celebrate a win that essentially meant nothing, (as Scotland didn't even qualify for the 1968 Euro Championships) as if Scotland had just won the World Cup. It's the same with the Archie Gemmill goal v. Holland in 1978, it meant nothing as Scotland were already as good as eliminated thanks to two awful showings in the previous matches. 

See if Scotland actually want to progress in football, and in other areas of sport and life, then the country needs to rid themselves of this Glorious Failure culture and realise that there is no glory in failure whatsoever. Some Scottish football fans up here are never done greetin about the English and their fondness of reminiscing about 1966 when they actually WON the World Cup, an actual tangible achievement, yet at the same time put games like the above, Gemmill's goal, McFadden's goal v France (which was a blunder by the keeper more than anything else) on a pedestal.

Well, maybe that's why England did actually win a major tournament once upon a time whilst Scotland have never been beyond the group stages at best and can't even buy qualification for one anymore - because the English don't readily accept failure and try to glorify it at every turn.

The sad reality is that in the last 50 years that win in England is up there with our best achievements as a national side.

Despite the fact that we clearly regularly produced world class players from the 50's to the 80's, we still massively underachieved in that time period.  The conveyor belt of talent has since dried and we are left glorifying games like this.

Not because they're great achievements, but because there's simply not much else to look back on fondly on.  And people love nostalgia.

 

[DA Baracus]

On 20/04/2017 at 12:35, Dullard Bluteau said:

Strachan take note. ALL the players were Scottish and most played for Scottish teams.

I would shudder to think of a Scotland team filled with only players from Scottish teams.

 

Anyway, no harm in celebrating this win, but I hate the whole 'we became unofficial World Champions!' shite. Why start there and not from the first team to beat Uruguay after they won the first World Cup (which was Brazil) and go from there?

Actually using that criteria we were unofficial World Champions in 1967 after beating England! https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/feb/07/theknowledge.sport. So egg on my face.

In fact using that criteria we were unofficial World Champions in 1935, 1938 and 1967. Perhaps other times as well, but the list I can see only goes to 2002.

 

[parsforlife]

http://www.ufwc.co.uk/

Bolivia current holders

we last held it in 2007

[HibeeJibee]

As stated above it was an admirable achievement in 1967 - but the game was very different then... Outside of Europe and the Americas it was very little developed (North Korea were the first other to progress a round and it didn't happen again until Morocco in 1986)... Within Europe lots of modern nations were grouped into USSR, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia - many were communist - countries like West Germany, Greece, Denmark etc. had only recently established national professional leagues. Club income was almost wholly off gates.